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You college football psychos should find something to say about this.
Good. I was surprised they didn't leave when Texas ran off Nebraska and Colorado. This may make some space for UH.
It was inevitable since the money split wasn't even and A&M wasn't going to stomach Texas getting that much more of the pie. The backbreaker was the UT network.
I think Texas will eventually go independent and the other conferences will align into 16-team superconferenes.
I wonder if this will hasten or delay the much-needed playoff system in college football.
I just wonder who the 4 16 team conferences are that will emerge? My guess is SEC, Pac-16, Big Ten, and ACC.
@Spanky - I'm not sure the uneven money split had much to do with it since A&M was getting the same "big 3" cut as Texas and OU. I think the overall instability of the conference compared to the solid stability of the SEC was the bigger driving force. The LHN was just another piece of the puzzle and possibly the straw that broke the camels back. The Big 12 is a sinking ship. I think this will certainly cause more dominos to fall towards the inevitable superconferences and playoff structure.
@djc - I think that's a good guess.
I think the bigger problem with the LHN is it showed that the Big-12 was a league in name only. Now, if instead of the Longhorn Network, Beebe had put vigor into pursuing a Big-12 Network, with proceeds going to the league, it still might be a viable entity.
Just from an economic standpoint, I think leagues like the NFL, where the league holds all TV broadcast rights, makes for a stronger entity than MLB, where teams like the Yankees can cut their own deals and leverage their huge markets.
Live in Austin and went to A&M, so should have an opinion on this. But it all pales in comparison to the current spread in the AL West. Priorities!
Didn't you get memo? We won our last game, Angels lost their last game. Playoffs are inevitable. At least until we lose and Angels win, then the sky is falling.
Actually, the Angels won last night. Beat the Mariners like 13-6 or some such.
@djc: Agree with broadcasting rights and such. It's a bunch of crap. I'd prefer a centralized authority like the NFL too.
I don't care for the BCS, the goofy conference system, or some other things about college football. I went to A&M, now work at A&M, and watch the games on TV sometimes. I don't hate Texas, and don't really care about the conference switch thing, though I hope we'll still play Texas every year. End rant about me.
I am an OU alum. However I don't care for this move one bit. I have heard the Big12 let A&M off the hook by only making them pay 9 million to leave. I hope Texas doesn't play them anymore after they were such whinney asses about the LHN. Seriously the LHN, OU is doing their on network and in less than 10 years if the LHN is successful all major colleges will have their own networks. Not sure what A&M spazzed out about after holding the conference together last year at A&M's request.
I doubt you will see any other school have their own network outside of the big 12. I think the other conferences will make sure any additional networks are Conference networks with all revenues going to the conference, and then distributed to all member schools.
As far as Texas, A&M, I assume it will go like A&M Arkansas. They will stop playing for years, because Texas will want to add a University Louisiana- Lafayette, or maybe a Texas State University, or Oral Roberts or Mary Hardin Baylor or something. However, in the post-Mack Brown era, they may get a coach with a spine, and they will take the paycheck of an A&M- Texas game.
I understand that there are some hurdles but they are all remedied by a vote. Votes are all garnered with cash and therefore IF the LHN is successful pressure on the conferences to allow schools to have their own networks will be enormous. TV money will continue to be the driving factor for divisions.Let me put it like this if the OSU is offered 225 million over 10 years and Mich is offered the same do you think the Big 10 is going to end up saying OK. Hell yeah the are same with the SEC and PAC 12-16.
djc,to expand on your Conference Centric network thoughts. I actually expect that to have legs as well. IF the LHN fails, which I expect it to do, then I see it morphing into a Conference driven network. Either way not a good reason to leave the SWC oops I mean Big 12.So there is that.
Worry not, OU fan. The Sooners will be playing PAC-16 football before much longer. My guess is they take OkSt and Texas Tech with them. That leaves the old PAC-8 (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, 2 Oregon schools, 2 Washington schools) as the "Pacific" or "North" division. The other division, probably called "Mountain" or "South", would have the 2 Arizona schools, Colorado, Utah, Tech, and the 2 Oklahoma schools. That leaves them picking between Boise (better program) and San Diego St (better tv market, ties to other California Public schools, UCLA and Cal) for the final slot. If it goes to Boise they probably call the divisions "Pacific" and "Mountain". If it goes to SDSt, they probably call them "North" and "South".
Longhorns go independant, and probably play anual games against A&M, Notre Dame, and BYU, with the rest of the schedule a jumbled mess. I think they may make a lot of money that way, but will regret it from a quality-of-program standpoint (as Notre Dame has).
I think Mizzou finds a home soon enough in the SEC West, joining the 6 existing teams and A&M. SEC East poaches 2 from the list of Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Florida St. I think they probably want FSU (best program) and GT (Atlanta market), but Georgia and Florida swing bigger sticks than South Carolina, and both are pushing to keep their rivals out. So which way that goes is up in the air.
Big Ten becomes Big 16 eventually, snatching Rutgers, Pitt, Louisville, and Syracuse from the Big East. Those 4 schools join the Big Sixteen East, along with Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, and Michigan St. Big Sixteen West lines up with Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, and Northwestern. The only problem with this alignment is the East may be too much stronger than the West, with only 1 marquee program (Nebraska) in the West, and 3 (OSU, PSU, Michigan) in the East. So there could be some shuffling around there.
At that point, the Big East will have been decimated from a football standpoint, while still retaining its traditional problem of having too many schools with good Hoops programs and no football programs. The ACC will be largely intact, but will have lost a pair of its top football programs to the SEC, while still retaining all of its Hoops-first schools (Duke, UNC, Maryland, NCSt, Wake). I could see some kind of merger, where they form a basketball SuperConference under the ACC name, and a 16-team football conference.
Under this scenario, ACC would have 10 teams left (Duke, UNC, NCSt, Maryland, Wake, Boston College, VaTech, UVA, Miami, and whichever from FSU, GT, and Clemson didn't get an SEC invite). The Big East, having lost 4 to the Big Sixteen, would have 5 remaining schools (UConn, Cincy, West Virginia, South Fla, and the recently added TCU). I think Kansas gets that final Golden Ticket.ACC South:Remaining school from FSU, GT, ClemsonMiamiSouth FlaTCUNC StateUNCDukeWake
ACC North:CincyKansasVirginiaVa TechWest VirginiaMarylandUConnBC
Adding the Kansas, UConn, and Cincy Hoops programs would make the ACC incredible in that sport as well. The question then would be this: Do the Hoops-only schools in the Big East ('Nova, G'Town, Seton Hall, St John's, Marquette, Providence, Depaul) remain the Big East, only greatly weakened, or do they try to piggyback into the ACC? And what happens to Notre Dame's non-football sports? Might losing their Big East ties cause them to consider Big Ten membership, etc?
The losers out of the Big XII disintegration will be Baylor, Iowa St, and K-State. I see those schools having to pick between Mountain West and C-USA affiliation. I could definately see C-USA picking up Baylor and K-State for their Western Division, and Army and Navy for the Eastern Division, and going to a 16-team conference as well.
Once the Mountain West loses TCU, plus Boise/SDSt to the PAC-16, they will be down to 7 schools. I see those 7, plus Iowa St, merging with the 8 current WAC schools and going to a 16-team conference as well.
That would leave NCAA football with 3 independanta (ND, Tex, and BYU), plus 4 16-team power conferences (Big Sixteen, PAC-16, SEC, ACC), two 16-team second-tier conferences (C-USA and Mountain West), plus 2 third-tier conferences, MAC and Sun Belt.
I think this is how it all looks 5 years from now.
Andy, you work at A&M... are you a professor or a researcher? (i just found that pretty cool)
Ok, so i'm sure you've all just been WAITING for me to respond on this subject lol.
Ppl want to say A&M is being whiney, and all sorts of things for leaving, and they can say what they want, but A&M left for one reason.... lost revenues.
Now what i'm about to tell you I can neither confirm nor deny the accuracy bc i dont necessarily like my source lol. He's one of those frat guy d-bag types that likes to run his mouth so take it for what it is, if anything its just an interesting story whether true or not.
So I've got a friend that works for the Big 12. According to him when all this was going down everyone was under the impression A&M was going to the SEC, UT OU to Pac-10 all hell would break loose etc, you know the rest. Well thats not necessarily true.
A&M was going independant in FB and SEC in remaining sports. Alot of ppl don't realize how big A&M's fanbase is. but just look how they travel. Are they at UT level... of course not, but neither is Tech.. both schools just dont sell enough stuff at Walmart or hand them out at border crossings. Boom. However A&M does have a large, diverse and vast fanbase to function as an independant.
In theory, they were to play all 4 military schools, Texas, Baylor (as a favor to Baylor and so they could keep their "rivalry" game") TCU, LSU, Ark, and then a flex schedule for the remaining games
So the kicker.....they were supposedly negotiating a tv deal of their own with fox sports sw and another channel which i will reveal in a sec. Fox Sports said they couldnt do it with exclusivity, as they show multiple big 12 games and also several pac-10 games a year (i've alwasy found that kinda odd that fox sports SOUTHWEST was showing NORTHEAST games. Yin and yang. Anyways that deal dead.
Enter the big guns. supposedly they got a tv offer from TBS for around 30-40 mil a year. Ted Turner has been working (and i believe he will succeed) on starting his own sports network. Here's where if you've been doubting the story it kinda sways you a little. Turner already had the Braves on TBS, but he was able to make a deal with MLB to show more than just Braves games. TNT has their NBA lineup wich started on one night, and has expanded to mulitple nights. Then Ted Turner outbids ESPN to show the NCAA tourney. His next move in starting an all sports network was adding NCAA football. The A&M deal was merely the beginning.
So Beebe starts this new deal to keep the remaining teams together but it required all 10 teams to sign off on it. in true aggie spirit A&M supposedly passed up 15-20 mil to keep the big 12 intact, yet unaware that UT had the longhorn network silently in the works.
So thats the story. Again i dont know how much is true. I've heard rumblings before of A&M needing to be independant so i dont doubt that mightve been a possibility. Going SEC in all other sports they'd be competitive and would avoid the utter destruction in FB. and the Turner TV deal is very interesting.
Again though like i said my friend is "that guy" so i really dont know what to believe. regardless its something to ponder.
Regarding the move to the SEC if that is what happens, yes, A&M will be destroyed in FB. However last time i checked SEC has more sports than FB and A&M will be more than competitive in everyone of them for that, and to let Texas know that they dont just get to rule Texas sports I think its for the better. No single school is bigger than their conf. and so single school should have their own network. Its a completely unfair recruiting tactic. I'd say the same thing if it was Notre Dame, USC, and yes A&M doing it.
Anyways I hope yall have a great day. and welcome the BYU Cougars to the big 12!
BYU will stay independant. Thay have the perfect fan base for a national cable network- spread out across the country and too small to carry any kind of Notre Dame network deal, but big and loyal enough for a cable package on a premium tier.
I went to TCU and worked for TCU until I started my own company 3 years ago. I love college sports. I had the opportunity to work with the baseball team while I was there, and did several facility projects with every athletic department, from basketball to the rifle team. That said, the BCS and conference alignment gives me such tired head it ain't even funny. I think their Championship process is flawed (And I thought that long before TCU got screwed last year) and I think the whole conference alignment situation is a mess. I get that it is all about money. But to me, A & M thinks they are sticking to Texas by leaving, but do you really think you guys are ever going to win in the SEC? TCU going to the Big East will help their football and baseball programs, but they will never have a shot in basketball there. I'm not saying it is right or wrong. I just hope the "power conferences" come to fruition and give some semblance of stability to collegiate sports.
@ Scooby - You're 5 year plan may actually be pretty damn accurate.
It would be cool if the big twelve added 3 of 4 in tcu smu Houston or Arkansas won't happen tho
Martin - I have wondered if TCU wants a do-over, given the recent developments.
@ Ricky. yes A&M will have pretty good chance to win in the SEC. Especially in Men and Women's basketball, baseball, softball...that's right i dont remain one sighted and fixated on just football......
but to appease your actual question it will come down to one thing. and thats SEC by name alone. Will a stud athlete from Dallas who's original intentions were between OU and UT sign with A&M just so he can play in the SEC. The answer is I don't know. I can tell you as far as NFL drafting i'd have to actually break it down cuz it might just be me, but it seems like a lot more players from the SEC get picked than any other conf...thats the goal right? to make it to the NFL?
So if A&M can pull just a few Texas recruits away from OU and UT then I can see them being on the GA, AR level. mid level most of the time and every 4 or 5 years have a serious chance to challenge to atleast play in the SEC championship.
If they cant get those recruits, we'll be a step up from Mississippi State and Kentucky and thats about it.
Scooby Dude I just read that article. Yeah it looks like OU will be gone if they don't get things straitened out quick. I just hope that living in DFW I don't have to buy some package to see my Sooners play. I guess that is what I am pissed at A&M about. But hey they want to go let them go. If Texas stops playing them it makes it that much easier for OU to recruit Texas.
I think you are close Scooby, but I think the truth is that BCS is so bad, that at some point the 16 team superconferences (PACxx,Big10,SEC,ACC) just say to hell with the independents and smaller conferences, and just schedule their own end of season 4 team (or 8 team with runner ups) end of season tournament.
Effectively, they will make their own division, above current division 1.
It's a sad day in BBTIA, when NCAA gets more posts, and not one, other than mine, about the Rangers' trades today.
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