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OK -- So obviously this is very hypothetical, but were we to do a deal for Berkman (and one premise implicit in this post is I think we should (I'm offering E. Beltre and Skole by the way)), I mean, look at the lineup (assuming Cruz is back which he should be in theory) we could throw out in the ALDS (and beyond):
1. Kinsler2. Andrus3. Hamilton (CF)4. Beltre5. Young (DH)6. Berkman (1st)7. Cruz (LF)8. Napoli (C)9. Moreland (RF)
Absolutely off the charts ridiculous, no matter how you order it.
But (and let's just say for fun, Berkman's in), I do have to say, I would order it thusly (assuming same positional lineup):
1. Kinsler2. Young3. Hamilton4. Beltre5. Berkman6. Cruz7. Napoli8. Moreland9. Andrus
I mean, I love Elvis as much as the next (platonic) guy, but when I look at the sabermetrics (aside: in former days, I would just simply say "when I look at the stats"; but now I somehow feel like the simple word "stat" sounds country-bumpkin-ish in this neck of the woods...), I really can't see very much reason for leaving him in the 2-hole. Both his OBP and OPS are in the bottom third of the team. I feel like Wash (who I do love though) likes his "intangibles" in the 2-hole (speed, base-stealing/running, etc) but I just don't know if it really makes for the optimal playoff lineup. In the regular season, yes, it has worked well enough to keep us in first place. But in the playoffs, when you're facing CC or Becket or Verlander or Lester, I think the best way to beat those guys is to keep them under intense pressure. Our lineup can obviously do that however you order it, but I really think Young #2 is far more intimidating than EA at #2. Hypothetical: The last at-bat swings around and we're down by one and there are two outs and Kinsler draws a walk: we all know who we'd rather have up. We made the world series last year with MY in the #2. Please tell me why I am wrong although I'm pretty sure I'm not.
Moreland's been playing 1st all year, and Berkman RF. Why switch them?
I just have one question, and i've had this question since this whole Berkman thing has come up? I have my opinion of the two but is the general concensus that Berkman is a better player than Konerko? Cuz both are available, and NOBODY is mentioning Konerko.
Konerko: .316; 28HR; 88RBI; .400OPSBerkman: .289; 30HR; 81RBI; .405OPS
So theyre basically even, but nobody's mentioning Konerko? Why? He's been more consistent than Berkman over the years. Konerko has show alot of success at RBPiA. Berkman's had his moments at RBPiA, i'm not sying he hasnt, but for the most part he's tended to struggle at RBPiA.
I just feel like Berkman is another Cliff Lee situation. Everyone knew Lee did not pitch well at RBPiA. His few games he played reg season here were for the most part not that great. He shined in the playoffs, but mainly AWAY. With Berkman's struggles at RBPiA I why dont we go after Konerko? the dude is a stud, and he's also hardcore on the leadership that we could use with MY for the final stretch run. Not to mention we'd be adding a player with a ring. Berkman made it to the series, but so did the rest of us. Konerko's won one.... thats Bengie like experience that's good to have.
So what is it? will he cost too much? does he have a huge contract remaining, while Berkman's out after next year? Cuz even so, it might be nice to have konerko's bat on the bench next year, or even as a challenge to push Mitch harder. or it'd be a hell of a split.
I'm just curious as to why Konerko's not even been mentioned.
Konerko didn't clear waivers like Berkman did (I don't think) and is therefore not tradeable. Also, the white sox are 5 games back. They can't trade their best player right now. Konerko is not a free agent at the end of the year like Berkman. He's signed thru 2013, 3 yrs/$37.5M. The White Sox wouldn't trade him and if they would, they would ask for top tier prospects. Probably multiple top tier prospects. That's would be a stupid deal for the Rangers and probably the White Sox too.
@ Andy - The prevailing thought is that Birkman would be a defensive liability in RF, whereas Moreland, as well as other options are not (or least not as much of a liability) i.e. Murphy, Chavez, etc. Obviously we have plenty of flexibility with a crowded outfield now, with Martin being called up to share CF with Gentry & Chavez. That said, Birkman is also a defensive liability at 1B IMO.
@ DC - The Rangers are looking for a rental bat. Konerko is not a free agent until 2014. The Rangers aren't looking to take on a long-term salary. Birkman, though it likely won't happen, would be ideal. He is a FA at the end of the year. At that time the Rangers would offer him arbitration in hopes that he would opt for FA, likely returning to St. Louis. When that happens, they would get St; Louis' 1st round pick (19th) and a supplemental 1st round pick. So kind of a win / win. EXCEPT... what would it cost in the trade, and what would it cost to sign those two extra two picks next year to sign?
Newberg really breaks it down well. Read this: http://www.newbergreport.com/article.asp?articleid=2394
From the St. Louis POV, it's hard to trade him w/o knowing what Pujols will do. Myself, I would trade him IF I could get a top prospect. My heart says hold out for Profar, but let's be realistic. CF, SS, SP are the main concerns here. Sardinas is coming off an injury and is so raw, he may be years away. Beltre would be a good option, as would Skole for future power. If I could get that deal (assuming you can't get the GM drunk and get Profar) I would do it. Problem is, fans here think the Cards should contend every year, it will be hard to give him up for players several years away. rooting for you guys in the AL, go Rangers!
last i heard he cleared waivers but yeah with a contract like that i'll stick with moreland and keep our pitchers. Thanks for clearing that up guys.
oops, forgot about Martin. yeh, Martin and Skole sounds better.
white sox pulled all their players off of waivers a few days ago. definately due to how much closer they got to detroit. so odd. i swear theyve been the most BP team all year. Lets throw our entire staff out to the sharks... oh wait we're close again nevermind. There go my hopes and dreams of gavin Floyd. lol
@ Dan in St. Louis - Daniels won't give an upper tier prospect for a rental bat. He would do lesser prospects. He might do Engle Beltre who is stuck behind several CF players / prospects with more lower levels prospects on his heels. Maybe Beltre and Christian Vilanueva who plays 3b, but could play short, as he is that good. I don't really want to give him up, but he is stuck behind Olt and Adrian Beltre @ 3B for some time to come, and technically even stuck behind Mendonca. The Rangers may consider trading Mendonca. Either way, I think St; Louis is going to ask for substantially more than that proposed trade scenario, since they would be forfeiting their 1st round pick. Very odd situation, likely not to happen. But, worth talking about and exploring. Thanks for your input.
Profar, Herrera, and Villanueva were all voted South Atlantic League All-Stars (Profar - SS, Herrera - 2B, and Villanueva - Utility IF). More impressivly, Profar was voted the SAL MVP.
Berkman has been playing OF for St Louis because it's an NL team and Pujols is the 1B. Moreland is probably a better defensive OF than Berkman, and Berkman is probably as good or better at 1b compared to Mitch defensively. I would definately go that route if we got Lance.
But how about this for a trade proposal:
Moreland and a pair of lower-tier prospects for Berkman. Something like Moreland, Engel Beltre, and 1 from the list of Pedro Strop, Leury Garcia, or Jordan Akins.
Moreland represents an immediate 2012 replacement for Berkman to St Louis at a price that might help them resign Pujols. He has years of team control left.
For the Rangers, if you like what you see from berkman, you could think about resigning him. If not, you give have 3 interesting options for replacing Moreland at 1B next year.
Option 1) Make Mike Napoli the full-time 1B and sign a new Catcher in FA (I would be opposed to this option- Nappy's bat at the C position is just too valuabe, but if you could get the RIGHT Catcher to replace him, it could be viable).
Option 2) Make Michael Young the full-time 1B in 2012 and go find an aging DH at a value price. You can generally find a guy like that.
Option 3) Make Michael Young the full-time 1B in 2012, and find yourself a new COF (Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier perhaps? Both should be available via trade, as the Dodgers can't really afford to lock them both up long term and they are both FAs after 2012). Then use the DH spot to get Hamilton and Cruz about 75 games each where they don't have to play the field. Maybe this helps minimize their DL time.
Scooby - If you're talking about trading Moreland and prospects now? It can't be done straight up. Moreland would have to go thru the waiver process, and I HIGHLY doubt he would clear waivers without being claimed. You could DFA him and agree that he will be a player to be named later (loop-hole) and send the prospects now. Otherwise, all you can trade straight-up right now is prospects or other MLB players already DFA'd. Besides, I wouldn't trade Moreland (Youth w/ bug-time upside) for a veteran with limited shelf-life who would be a rent-a-player for 1 month. Hed be offered arb by Texas, if a trade were to occur) and likely opt for FA, giving us two 1st round picks. Are those two picks worth one month of Berkman and what you gave up for him? Ehhh.... No.
And I like Strop. I think he is on the verge of getting it. He has even hit 100 MPH recently.
Moves - Per Jamey Newberg:
The Rangers have announced the following roster moves:
Placed outfielder Nelson Cruz on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to yesterday, with a left hamstring strain.Placed right-handed pitcher Darren O’Day on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to Thursday, with right shoulder inflammation.Recalled outfielder Leonys Martin from Triple-A Round Rock.Purchased contract of right-handed pitcher Mark Hamburger from Triple-A Round Rock.Released right-handed pitcher Ryan Tucker
Somebody just called speed, baserunning and bunting ability to be "intangibles" roflmao ok.
Last I checked, Speed, including base running, was one of the "5 Tools", not quite an intangible. And bunting is not an intangible... it is an elementary given, although I am amazed how many big leaguers are poor at it.
Sports Center just had a cool segment on Napoli and his production.
I always watch the game, but I also use MLB game tracker for additional stats (pitch count, etc.).Tonight I am going to try Fox Sports version of it. Will advise.
True Baseball Intangibles:
Berkman said in an interview of the proposed trade, "that ship has sailed."
Well Dan, No love lost on my end as it applies to Berkman. Feel free to talk baseball here anytime. You have been a good guy on here. Hope you have received the same courtesy. - Rick
Well...I've turned 180 on Berkman in the last 24 hours. I'd love to have his bat but not his attitude. Anyone that says he would refuse to go to Texas (a contender) and would threaten STL with "not resigning" in the off-season is not the kind of guy you want in the clubhouse. We need winners.
You could trade Moreland without passing him through waivers.
He has options. You could use one to send him to Round Rock.
Then, you trade for Berkman with a player to be named later.
Once the season ends, you can send Moreland as the PTBNL without clearing waivers.
@ Scooby - I know they taught you to read at Rice. I said just that. All I said was you can't trade him straight up right now w/o him having to go thru the waiver process. I then said you could DFA him and trade him as a PTBNL. It's a loop-hole, but it can be done. That said, I still don't do that deal for a rent-a -player. More like a rent-a-cancer. You'd give up Moreland, a young player with big-time upside and two good prospects for one month of Jerkman? Sure you'd get two 1st round draft picks when he bolts back to St. Louis, but would those two picks replace 1 good, young MLB player, and possibly 2 more good, young MLB players? Not to mention paying a million plus to sign each of those two picks once drafted, who may never pan out? At least with the guys you proposed to trade, we know what we have. You're smarter than that Scooby!
I don't think it was not wanting to go to Texas. He said he didn't want to be a rent a player for a 2nd consecutive year. He has said however, previously, he wants to win a title, so not going doesn't make sense to me at all. Texas will be a real contender for several years, the Cards need rebuilding and likely won't be unless they go on a miracle run like in 2006. I don't understand it from his point of view, but it is what it is. Thanks to all, you are a good bunch. some of the Card's chat sites have, well, less than amicable personalities on them. good luck in finding another bat and in the playoff's.
Thanks Dan. I've enjoyed the baseball conversation(s). Yoiu're welcome here anytime.
To all... this just in from Newberg:
The Rangers have announced that they have:
Acquired catcher Matt Treanor from Kansas City in exchange for a player to be named later or cash considerations.Acquired left-handed reliever Mike Gonzalez from Baltimore in exchange for a player to be named later.Recalled righthander Wilmer Font and placed him on the 60-day disabled list.Designated righthander Tim Wood for assignment.
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