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Although he did have some brain farts defensively tonight, he also has been productive. I still don't necessarily agree with him in the #1 spot, but it seems to work to an extent. There have been several Matt Kemp advocates on here. His is the 1st 30/30 guy since Ian Kinsler in 2009. Still think Kinsler sucks? That is impressive company. Give the guy his due and a break. He'll be a productive player for some time. Probably not a lifetime Ranger, but I like him, and will always like him. He is a good man.
I agree with you on Kinsler.... he can hit 125, and for some reason I still like him.Maybe has something to do the way he "plays the game"Maybe the way he talks (honest)...and maybe that great "potential" he is teasing us with........don't know, but he is one of my favored...
Kinsler could be a 30/30 guy again, if he stays hot. His average frustrates me, and I still contend his place in the line-up does as well. Statistically, Young could even be an option at the #1 spot. He hit his 11th tonight, but he is more of a gap hitter. I've made my line-up known. But I would like to see what this would produce:
YoungAndrusHamiltonBeltreJinslerNapoli or TorMorelandMurphyChavez
I really prefer Mike in front of Josh @ #2. Chavez and Andrus could rotate #1 & #9 spots, depending on the match-up.
My whole point is Kinsler should be further down the line-up. I still don't get a .240 hitter leading off. Especially one who will hit 25 to 40 HR.
Having Young as a leadoff hitter essentially kills the speed at the top of the order. Also, you stare at BA too much.
What matters most for a leadoff hitter is OBP and speed.
It's better to do a comparison with other leadoff hitters
... GP.. AB R.. H HR.. RBI.. BB SO.. SB AVG OBP Kinsler 132 526 94 128 23 62 74 61 23 .243 .345Ellsbury.. 132 543 97 170 24 84 46 86 36 .313 .373
Still think that Kinsler shouldn't be hitting at #1?
I hope Kinsler is a lifetime (or at least next 5 years) Ranger. His defense is lights out and his OBP has gotten better all year. To address your actual point, Ricky, I think MY would be ok at leadoff, but I don't think Kinsler batting 5th would allow him to exploit his talent for getting on base.
You're right. Mike's OBP is just .376. OPS - 859.
Endy's OBP - 330. OPS - .773
Andrus OBP - .331. OPS - .672
Kinsler OBP - .342. OPS - .776
Wanna try again?
Mike may be aging, but he ain't slow. If he gets on base more often, put him up front. Average IS a key stat. Kinsler is a great player to have. I just think his role in the line-up is wrong.
@Rickey You only get 27 outs in a game. You can win even when you get no hit, but you absolutely, positively cannot score after you have run out of outs. OBP is king becasue it measures the rate you get out. The lower your OBP, the faster you speed your team to it's final out. Forestalling the end vs. bringing it closer -- what could be more important than that?
You show me a team full of High OBPs and low Averages, and I'll show you a team that scores a lot of runs. The reverse isn't true.
Amazing that this still needs to be explained to people who profess to know the game.
I do know the game, junior. My whole point was simply that I'd rather have a contact hitter at the lead-off spot, than an aspiring power hitter. If you don't comprehend that? Then I can't make it much simpler, Jackie.
And you think MY is a good base runner too, right?
I think Mike is an intelligent base runners. Kinsler is obviously the bigger speed threat. I was not advocating or campaining for Mike to lead-off. I said I'd like to see what could happen in said line-up. I've made it clear previously, that I'd like Endy or Elvis @ #1 withe the other @ #9. I just would like to see Kinsler's HR's with people on in front of him. A couple months ago you guys were berating Kinsler, yet now I don't know what I am talking about? Geez!
I'm sorry but it just winds me up when people fixate on average. It's only relevance is it's role (significant) in OBP. You should have just pointed out MY leads in that also. Ian and Elvis are at the top of the base running metrics and I believe it's played a major role in our production. Don't hate on it.
I did point it out when I posted his stats versus the other three. I understand Kinsler's OBP is better than the other two (Elvis and Endy). My thought process is / was, that Andrus and Chavez both possess speed too. Yet they dont display the power Kinsler does. I just feel he (Kinsler) is better suited to help this team win further down in the line-up. Trust me, I don't want to argue over an observation and a hypothetical. I thought it was worth mentioning, and know several others on here who agree with me on this topic. It was never about Young leading off. It was about Kinsler being in a better line-up spot to increase run production even further.
@ Ricky since you insist
... GP.. AB R.. H HR.. RBI.. BB SO.. SB CS AVG OBP Kinsler 132 526 94 128 23 62 74 61 23 2 .243 .345Young.... 136 540 69 181 11 88 37 70.. 6 2 .335 .375Andrus... 128 501 76 136.. 3 49 41 62 33 10. .313 .373Chavez..... 66 211 33.. 64.. 5 26 10 26.. 8 4... .303 .330
Statistically Young could be a leadoff hitter, but he isn't fast nor does he give the pitcher something to think about. Kinsler has only been CS as many times as Young has with way more attemps.
Let me put it this way, where would you put a low AVG but high OBP in your lineup?
I'm not saying that AVG isn't a key stat, but you can't completely ignore OBP as it is more relevant in regards to the leadoff hitter than batting AVG.
I think all of the anger is directed at the wrong spot. If you take all of the AL teams and rank the production they get from their batters in a given position the ranks are as follows:1. - 3rd in the AL - Mostly KInsler2. - 11th in the AL - Mostly Elvis3. - 4th in the AL4. - 4th in the AL5. - 5th in the AL6. - 2nd in the AL7. - 1st in the AL8. - 2nd in the AL9. - 7th in the AL
Kinsler is comparably very good. Elvis is at the bottom of the AL. While our prime competitors consistently bat Curtis Granderson and Dustin Pedroia in the 2nd spot, why are we batting Elvis?
Ricky is the only one that got angry...he likes to call people names (e.g., "Junior") when they disagree with him.
I've said before that I like Mike @ #2 in front of Josh. Seems to help both flourish.
Kinsler's 2 HR last night were solo shots. Not the case tonight. Someone will need a new windshield in Boston.
I need to look-up how many of his homers were solo shots to make my point about wanting him down in the line-up.
I had a good laugh at your "Someone will need a new windshield in Boston" comment. Thanks for that, Ricky.
Here is what is getting lost in translation. I have defended Kinsler non-stop. Maybe the new guys on here dont get that and think I am picking on him. My whole point is this... Josh, Beltre, etc. Have fewer HR's and more RBI than he does. And both of them have been on the DL for extended time. Wouldn't you want that run production deeper, i.e. Cruz. How Wash can move Cruz down, but can't see Kinsler's potential further down is absurd. But I guess I am a racist again. It's baseball. And when I call someone "Junior"? It's because you are either baseball naive, ignorant, or too young to know better. Try moving him down and see what happens. I said Nap should play more and he has produced. Everything I have been adimant about comes to fruition. I admit when I am wrong, but I ain't wrong on this one.
@Ricky: nothing was lost on me. I see your points clearly. Just wanted to commend you on the laugh you gave me. :)
Thanks, Andy! He bleeping crushed that one! Can you say "4.5"?
@Andy - Make that another windshield in need of repair in Boston. Another Kinsler solo shot.
Nappy dang near busted one out too!
I can just see some guy in that parking lot behind Fenway. "Oh, crap, not again!!"
If I was Fenway? I'd change that sign to "Safelite repair, Safelite replace" when Kinsler comes to bat. I wonder who Boston would pursue when they need a 2nd baseman and Kins is available? Duh!
Normally, when I get supporting data or comments about my opinions from those who know, I say I told you so and post 'em. I still contend I am right about moving Kinsler down, BUT I respect Jamey's opinion. Here is his response to me on said topic:
"Until Leonys arrives and establishes himself, I like Kins where he is."
Never say I don't share professional opinions of those who disagree with mine. I still think I am right. But thanks Jamey for your response. Fo those who don't take advantage of the Newberg Report? You should. Jamey and Scott are awesome!
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