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Caleb - I know you're a true fan. Your knowledge and passion proves that. That said, I used to take my daughter when she was little. I quickly found that baseball in any town is not conducive to very young kids. Once my boy was playing ball? He was into it and handled the heat just fine. I had a wife who did not like the sun or heat, so she stayed home with the little ones, while me and the guys went to games. I stayed at home with the kids when she went shopping. And there are several ways to go to a game and sit indoors at the RBPiA. They make it a point to make it conducive to all walks of life.
Ricky - that is true and we have spent some time in the indoor venues. But it kind of sucks because it's not quite the same spectator event.
Also, to be sure, I am against a straight-up dome as well at RBiA. But I do contend that they need to implement some sort of shade system for a much greater portion of the stands at the park...
Also, I think baseball is quite a bit more family friendly than most of the other sports (especially NFL football - that is like a frat party, drunks r us for sure). Part of my mindset on topics such as these is the preservation and even betterment of that family atmosphere.
Weren't we talking about fan safety, not what HOF players you claim to have known?
Caleb - Then I think we are on the same page for the most part. They developed plug in A/C for shoulder pads on the side-lines. They have heated car seats. Surely there is some technology two smart guys could develop and market to heat prevelant stadiums. Cooled seats, misters, something.
Zach - I've made valid points about attendance being up by 6K from last year and 12K from the year before. I made the point about the Rangers' Medical Center & Staff. I have made my point about how players have played here for years without issue, except Al Oliver. I have made my points. You made your insults because you can't comprehend my points. So, take a walk junior.
Think about the kids and elderly they love going to the games but they can't because it's so dam hot. At least put some freakin shade huge fans those mist fans they have at six flags would be cool.
There are seats that guarantee shade. Several indoor places you can watch the game live in the A/C.w/ access to go in and out. If you cannot handle it, don't go! Watch it on TV! It is simple.
I love going thru that breeze way and seeing the field. The smell, the ambiance. It's like I am 17 again. But common sense tells me that people should know the best scenario for them to view a game.
There are plenty of seats in the shade. Now, would it be prudent to establish discounted seats in the shade with cooling measures for elderly and those with little ones? Yes. I would very much endorse that. Nolan should too.
A more realistic solution would be moving the start times back to 7:45 or 8:00, no?
For what? The Networks would never go for it, first. Second, about a 2 degree drop? I realize your intention. But baseball has been played here for years. Excuses.
I'm all for keeping the team here. Not sure how that was implied. What networks? I see no reason why FSSW would take issue with that. 8:00 CST is reasonable start time for a team in the AL West. ESPN and Fox dictate start times on their games anyway, so any inclusion of those fellows in your arguement is moot. One can be semi-comfortable at 97 degrees in the shade/darkness. Not so much at the same temp with the sun slamming down on you. There's always room for improvement. Free improvements are even better. Hell, every game used to be played during the day. Good thing you weren't on the "Do we need lights" committee.
suggestion to rename forum to Ricky vs. THE SUN!
btw Ricky its just a joke. i'm actually on your side. i was the first post saying baseball belongs outside.
Did you walk up hill to school both ways, too, Oldtimer?
I go to the ball park almost never (1-2 times a year) because of 3 things:
1) Don't feel safe bringing the kids out in the heat most days
2) I have a giant TV, a kegerator, and would prefer not to sit in 100 degree heat myself, and
3) The ballpark is too damned far for me to get to the game on work nights.
Fix either the temperature or move the thing to Downtown Dallas/North Oak Cliff/Fair Park and I'd be a 20-game a year customer.
@ Scooby -
Funny line. I doubt I am too much older than you.
Response to your points:
1) Smart man. Your child's safety is paramount. 2) Giant TV and a kegerator? YOU should charge admission! I'd be there!
3) Logistically, Arlington is ideal for both Dallas and Fort Worth (Where I live) as well as the suburbs.
It will never be BBTID.
Just thinking about the players for a second--how about just uniforms designed to keep the players cooler? Something like the shoulder pad thing the Cowboys have on the sideline. Hell, even strategically placed pockets for ice packs.
The Rangers would lose fort worth if they moved to Dallas no doubt your rite about that Rick
Heat affects attendence period. Heat affects the way FA's view signing here period. Now to what degree heat affects these two things is up for debate. Obviously this year just like 1980 was a outlier.
@caleb you are right to bring a family of 4 have good seats and parking we usually spend about $500.00. If we sit in the cheap seats its still at least $200.00. There is no way I spending that kind of money on a school night in 105 degree heat when every other night Monday through Thursday has some kind of practice or home work. I don't think I am alone.
@Ricky in Fort Worth what happened to the Rangers in the past doesn't really matter unless of course you want to go back to those days of not winning pennants not winning divisions and not have enough attendance to be a financially viable team.
At some point there is going to need to be a decision made about how to deal with the heat issue if the Rangers really want to excel financially. I don't think we are there yet but the lease can be reworked or the park refited in some fashion to make things better. Just a shade would stifle airflow and cause its own problems. I just hope that whatever they do, they stay with natural grass.
Just saying the Rangers attendance is up significantly, hell, consistantly, over the past several years. Most importantly? Up this year by far, in this brutally hot summer. Just saying this heat has NOT affected attendance whatsoever.
Now, when it comes to tickets, I got the hook-up, and will gladly pass his info on to my friends on here.Key word: Friends.
Section 18 Sunday. Me and the G/F for $60 total.
Attendance is up bc of winning
Duh? Then don't tell me people are not coming due to heat. That is my arguement.
IIf you build it, they will come. Jon built it, and they are coming.
But to claim fans won't come due to heat is statistically fictitious.
We are there. And will continue to be. And if you want to watch it on TV in A/C comfort? Cool!!You're still paying admission via your cable company and FSSW. I am fine with that. Hi-Def makes you dang near feel right there.
But attendance is up, just like the heat.
Texas is averaging almost 36K a game this year behind teams like Boston and NY, despite some of the hottest weather in a while. If you can't go to the ballgame because of the heat, it's more a personal problem, and not a problem for the club. The club isn't going to move to Dallas, or have a retractable dome built, just to cater to some Dallas wimps when they have a perfectly good lease in a perfectly good location.
anecdote in response to "heat affects attendance."
I went to the game the other day when they set the 106º first pitch record on Saturday night against the Indians. The stands were packed. I've almost always sat in the third deck with almost an entire section (definitely you could move to an empty row if you happened to be next to someone) to myself and this time I had one empty seat next to my party of 4 with no other empty seats in sight.
I'm pretty sure the recent history of success affects attendance MUCH more than the recent historically high heat.
Oh, and I usually paid $5-10 to sit anywhere in the upper deck, vs. $8 this time to sit in the corner where you can't see the jumbotron and $24 anywhere else in the upper deck.
There were some open rows over in the left-field sections in the sun.
Ricky is your argument that Heat has not caused Rangers attendance to fall from an avg of almost 40k going into August to an average around 36k. Losing 3k in attendance for the year in one month has nothing to do with the heat? I am just trying to understand your argument. I don't really know what past loosing years have to do with this year and that seems to be what you keep going back too. Last August there wasn't as big a bandwagon really because most casual fans thought they Rangers would get to the post season and embarrass themselves like they had in the Oats years.
last august there was a huge bandwagon because we had just traded for Cliff Lee
I assume "the other day" was the Red Sox series. Those are never representative.
Arlington is a ridiculously bad location for the northern suburbs, which, between Plano, Frisco, Allen, McKinney, Lewisville, etc, now have almost as many residents as Fort Worth. I realize that you live in Ft Worth and that this is unfortunate for you, but in terms of population gravity, Dallas is the planet, and Ft Worth is the moon orbiting around it. Arlington is too far for most Dallasites to get to by 7pm on a work night without missing an inning or 2. Arlington is much closer to Ft Worth.
10 years from now, the Rangers will be in a new stadium, and it will be a downtown or near-downtown stadium in Dallas.
Texas, coming off a WS season, and leading the division all year, in a good race, given the size of the local population, should be much higher than 12th in attendance. It isn't because of heat and location.
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