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To get a retractable dome roof like the mariners? How much would that theoretically cost? I'm sure the attendance would go up and the teams brain wouldn't get fried every summer. Is it even being thought about?
Martin, that's obviously a necessity and the longer the Rangers stay good, the more talk we will hear about it. Seattle's roof though is not an applicable solution for Texas. The cost alone to modify the stadium to accommodate would be enough to almost build a new stadium (200-300 million). that's also taking into account the modifications necessary to that design to make it Texas friendly. Seattle's roof is more of an umbrella than a enclosure. It doesn't allow climate control. Seattle's climate doesn't require an air conditioned stadium, they just needed protection from the rain. Texas would need climate control which would require a sealed roof. That's where the costs increase exponentially. The only solution would be building a brand new stadium somewhere with a retractable roof (500-600 million at least). Cowboys stadium is another idea i've heard but unfortunately that stadium won't accommodate baseball and the screen would have to be removed completely. I'm not even sure the roof is regulation height from ground to roof.
I recall this being brought up at Newberg Night a few years ago, and, IIRC, the cost for a retrofitted retractable roof would have been completely prohibitive -- something like $200-300 million rings a bell.
This is a freak heat wave it hasnt been this hot in NTX in like 10+ years. Yes the teams tired and fatigued. I think some simple waiver pick ups can help, and as much as we all (including myself) b****** non stop about the player rotation wash had going when beltre wasnt hurt..... lord do we miss that now. Yes i will be pissed if the Rangers lose the West because of this. And i just love everyones excuse of, LA didnt seem effected by the heat, Boston isnt effected by the heat. They dont play in it 81 games a year like we do draining every bit of our being (well not us... but the Rangers.) beyond my incessant rambling, call me old school, call me a traditionalist, but even accounting for all of this BASEBALL BELONGS OUTSIDE. its a sin against god to play in a dome or dome like structure. its in the bible.... skeletor 3:16 or something like that.....
By that logic, baseball was also meant to be played in the northeast and midwest where it's cooler. I honestly think a fan will die someday sitting in 105 degree heat at 7:00 pm. It certainly didn't help that the game was moved to 6 pm yesterday to accommodate ESPN and the east coach market....
And I'm afraid it will be a kid. I've noticed some in the background that really seem to be laboring as they are being held hostage behind 3rd base. Only then will something be done.
The Rangers have an excellent Medical Center and Staff. By all accounts, that Med Center stays busy with heat exhaustion victims. I grew up playing ball all day in 1980, when is was 113. I am used to it, but for those who are not acclaimated, it can be very dangerous. Al Oliver suffered heat-stroke back then while roaming CF for Texas.
Wouldn't a less expensive way to solve this problem be putting huge fans that blow straight out from the back of the stadium when the Rangers bat and then have huge fans that blow from behind the outfield stands in when the opponents bat?
That's the only fair way I can think we can solve the problem without putting up $300 million.
dcaggie06 and I have had this discussion before. I would love for the Rangers to continue playing in an outdoor venue, but let's put the player fatigue thing aside for a minute and think about this logically:
1) There is a reason the Astros have built not 1, but 2 climate controlled stadiums throughout the course of their existence.
2) This needs to be about the fans (the fans are the money, after all).
3) It is way too freaking hot at RBiA at 7:00 PM on a given night in June, July or August - Godzilla heat-wave or not...
I mean, seriously - what kind of a dipshit wants to pay $65/seat to take their family out to that hellhole to sweat their asses of for 2 1/2 hours? Did you see the attendance during this series?
Here is a sample:
Wednesday night attendance for Rangers game (from ESPN):
Wednesday night attendance for “titillating” Astros/Rockies game at Coors Field (from ESPN):
Good god almighty!!!!
Do you think that perhaps the REDONKEROUSLY uncomfortable fan conditions at rBiA contributed to the fact that more people attended the damn Astros/Rockies 2012 draft position derby than attended a probable playoff preview between the Rangers and one of the most storied franchises in MLB history?!?!?
I get the whole "baseball should be played outside because that's the way my granddaddy did it, and by god!" argument - but good grief, can we join the 21st century now? I mean granddad was keen on making "colored folks" (as he liked to call them) use a different water fountain too!!!
Baseball has been played in this area for over a century without a dome. From the likes of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jackie Robinson, etc. at La Grave Field from 1926-1964. The Rangers since the early 70's. We don't need a dome. It is baseball sacrelige.
I agree with you Caleb. It's more about the fans than anything. And also, if it deters players from playing here, then that affects the fans that deserve to have a chance with any free agent available. It must also be noted that average high temps for June, July and August are 91, 94, 94. This is an extraordinary summer.
lol....Anaheim is blessed to play in Anaheim where highs are between 85-92. Man, I would love to live in that environment. Those temperatures are so nice and comfy. Boston and NY are relatively cooler than the weather in North Texas. Thus, Texas should have the policy of never having enough starting pitchers. Your extra starters can be used to spot starts.
I'm fairly used to the heat. I've played day in and day out in 100 to around 105 degrees many times in my life and it really didn't cause me any fatigue, although that's just me. The key is properly hydrating your body 24 hours before playing or spending extended periods of time in the heat. That being said, I am completely against building a roof over RBP. Baseball is meant to be played outside where the factors of weather and climate come into play, thus adding to the mystique of this wonderful and unpredictable game. A game as unpredictable as the weather itself.
I agree Mike. And although I am not near as rabid a fan of football, I contend it is meant to be played in the elements as well. I never hear the Packers complaining about the bitter cold. Who won the Superbowl last year?
I don't think that we will see any domes until 2020-2025. I believe their current lease runs until sometime in that time frame. Currently the park is paid off, and there isn't much financial incentive to build another ballpark. I haven't read the lease, but I'd assume the penalty clause for leaving early is fairly stiff.
I don't go to Rangers games in the summer, period. Too freaking hot. I find it impossible to enjoy the experience or the game itself when I'm sweating my ass off in 100 degree heat. I'll take the A/C and the couch every single time.
Furthermore, for as pretty as the park looks, it was ill-conceived, and I would be willing to bet DC Aggie's bible that it's hurt us getting free agent pitchers to sign here. Someone - or a group of someones - really dropped the ball there.
@ Ricky: "In February 2010, Fort Worth Cats owner Carl Bell defaulted on $30 million in notes with LaGrave Field as collateral. Amegy Bank then initiated foreclosure proceedings against the field." Perhaps he couldn't get people to come to the games.
@ Chris: I'm sure you didn't just make up those average temperatures, but I was born and raised in Dallas, and I seriously question any source that claims the average high in August is 94.
its does not have to be a sealed dome. Something like a retractable dome would be enough, because its really a big difference to be in the shade. If you go to games, you notice an enormous difference between the first base seats and the left field seats, and that difference is only shade.
Zach - It had nothing to do with the heat for the Cats. Try being a team in the Independent League in the same Metropolis as a Major League team who went to the World Series the previous year. This year the Rangers are 12th out of 30 in attendance. Guess the heat only effects whimps, not true fans. I'll be there all weekend, not in the suite, but outside. And I will be well hydrated with CL. And back to the Cats, many companies file bankruptcy and survive, heck thrive. California is bankrupt. Hell, this Country is bankrupt. Your point is moot.
Houston is significantly more humid than north Texas. I always preferred the dry heat of north Texas to the humidityof Houston and the Southeastern US. Has this summer been dry heat or has it been humid as well?
And FYI - 2009 attendance was about 26K per game on average. 2010 was about 30K on average. 2011? 36K plus and getting better. If there was a dome, those who watch it from their couch would continue to do so. Excuses. I don't blame a fan who prefers to watch it from home. But don't piss and moan and make excuses why you won't go. If you don't have the testicular fortitude to deal with some heat, stay home and leave the seats for real fans.
@Ricky: You are the one who initially mentioned La Grave field as a way of proving a point about the Rangers. It was a silly point to begin with, and it really has little/nothing to do with whether the Texas Rangers should be playing under a roof. You point was irrelevant and unrelated.
The point was obviously elementary, yet still went over your head. The point was people, including legendary HOF players, have played in this heat for years. Heat is a crutch. An excuse. Bobby Bragan, who I knew, would scoff at heat as an excuse. What a spare!
Sorry Ricky - I have to disagree. I am as real a fan as it get and if we are just talking about males aged 18-45, then sure, I would be right there with you - MAN UP AND GET ANOTHER BEER!
But here in the real world WTF am I supposed to do with my 4 year old and my 2 year old who want to go to the game with their dad?
There is the rub I see, most of the fans that you actually want at the games (i.e. those with money) tend to have families - as mentioned earlier in the post, a bunch of young children in that freaking hotbox in August is a recipe for heat stroke at best...How much income is being foregone on an annual basis because guys with families (and money to spend) are skipping out on games? I can unequivocally state that it is in the vicinity of $1,000-$2,000 annually from me alone, as we go to two games a year (May and September) and spend an average of $500-$600 at the ballpark per visit. We would easily go 2-3 more times in July or August if it were even remotely tolerable out there for little kids.
Also, I am not in agreement with the powers that be one iota - however this country is FAR from bankrupt. There is still PLENTY of monthly income to pay the bills. However, there is also plenty of "wants" that needs to be cut from the "needs” pile of expenses in order to remain solvent in the long term. Unfortunately, it is not politically popular to address these items properly and with a true long-term vision. Therefore the spineless lot of them will likely continue to kick the can down the road - but, I digress...
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