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Inspired by a post in the "I don't know why we're yelling" thread, here's an idea:Let's see your take on how the lineup should be ordered. Feel free to explain, but keep it a readable length, please. For the sake of keeping current, let's use the following lineup:
Elvis AndrusEndy ChavezIan KinslerJosh HamiltonMichael YoungMike NapoliMitch MorelandNelson CruzYorvit Torrealba
Here's one article posted in that post, that mentions a slightly different approach to ordering your lineup than conventional wisdom dictates.http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by
Based mostly on this, and a bit of my own feelings, here's what I would do:
1. Elvis AndrusHits a lot of singles and such, has some speed. Also can bunt pretty well in a pinch.
2. Michael Young2nd best OBP at the moment (behind Napoli), highest batting average, but rarely hits for power. Probably would have put first, but I deferred to Elvis based on speed.
3. Nelson CruzDoesn't exactly live and die by the long ball, but hits more of them than anyone. Average isn't bad but isn't the best. Hits for power a lot.
4. Mike NapoliHis OPS is off the charts. He's 2nd on this list in HRs. His average is right at 300 and rising. Seems like the ideal man for this slot.
5. Josh HamiltonHasn't hit home runs as often as I would have thought, but still hitting .300, with a decent mix of hits of all kinds.
6. Ian KinslerWalks a lot. Streaky, but when he's hot he doubles a lot.
7. Yorvit TorrealbaHitting pretty well lately. Not a bad bet to lead off an inning from the lower part of the lineup.
8. Mitch MorelandAt the moment, in a bit of a slump, but comes through some times when we really need it.
9. End ChavezStill hitting .300, and seems like a good guy to have before returning to the top of the lineup. I like him here.
That's my first draft. I'm interested to see your proposed lineups, and any comments, positive or negative, about mine.
I am just going to critique your 'thinking' , first..... will put up my lineup some later time..Andrus first is no good, he is too young, has no "WILL" has no "meaness" and can not lay off that "off speed shi*" like Kinsler.Kinsler is the best laying off that ball in the dirt...Young at second will make Michael "impotent/average"What a lot of us on here don't get is that Michael needs to be in the middle of it all...or he will regress...Nelson at third is your worst idea so far, he is inconsistent... you can not have an inconsistent batter hitting third...OK, Napoli at cleanup intrigues me, but what I am afraid of is he will derail under preasure(...in other words: he is doing so well now, why change it)Josh batting 5th would be lost, he would feel like Moreland on steroids... Josh would go to Walsh and say: You kidding me?...?...Kinsler batting 6th can not put the same kind of pressure as he does batting first, he is a menace starting the game, he puts extreme pressure right away on the opposing pitcher and can win a game after the first few pitches.Yorvit should be 9th to take preassure off him...whatever you beleive this or not, he is in a competition with an unnamed catcher Napo..", the less preasure on him the better he will do.OK, so finally you got one right; Mitch at 8th is perfect for him fo nowChavez got too much speed and he is hitting 300.... for now he is my "other" leadoff man.My mouth is dry... I never wrote this much on a topic ... :)
Andy, that blog post says the leadoff man should be one of your best 3 hitters. Elvis is not one of our best 3 hitters. Otherwise, it's your lineup so I won't try to dissect your character or anything.
Here is what I would roll out there:KinslerYoungHamiltonNapoliCruzMorelandTorrealbaChavezElvis
Balanced, power in the middle, speed at the top and bottom, OBP guys in front of the thumpers. Just makes sense to me.
@Steve: Thanks for your comments. You make some good points, and this proves that what might appeal to one guy probably looks bad to another. And, like I said, it was a first draft, and probably worse than any of the ones Wash uses now...but I had the idea, so I wanted to see what you guys would do with it, but I figured I should start the ball rolling so I applied some of what I read in creating my first idea.
@Adam: Indeed it does. So why did you put Kinsler 1st? Or were you not adhering to that suggestion? I welcomed any comments, be they criticism or what have you. On further review, I think I like yours better, but I want to know, why Moreland before Torrealba? Right now YT is batting better than Mitch.
touche Andy. Kinsler is not one of our 3 best hitters but he is one of our better on base guys and base runners. The only other leadoff consideration for me would be MY and that just doesn't look right.
I have Moreland ahead or Norbit because even if he is not hitting better than Torrealba right now, he has been the better hitter over the course of the year. For the year, Yorvit has an OPS+ of 91, Mitch is 105. Plus he has better OBP, OPS, SLG and more pop.
Whatever anyone thinks about the rest of the lineup, Elvis is one of the most made-to-order No. 2 hitters I've ever seen. Great bunter, unselfish, makes contact, likes to hit to the right side, not afraid to take a couple of strikes to give the leadoff hitter a chance to steal, fast enough to avoid the double play (which is Mike Young's biggest shortcoming as a No. 2 hitter), and fast enough to be able to get into scoring position with a steal if the leadoff hitter doesn't get on base. All of that adds up to the ideal No. 2 guy.
Gotta disagree on Elvis. To me, a key component of a #2 hitter, which Elvis lacks sorely, is gap power. I need a guy who can score the leadoff man from 1st with a double. Here's mine:
When Beltre comes back, I would line them up lie this:
@Scooby Dude: Isn't that why your No. 3 guy is supposed to have gap power? In an ideal world, you want to be in a position to score your leadoff hitter with a single. If the No. 2 guy can't get him into scoring position, then your No. 3 guy has enough pop to get him in from first.
Assuming the Rangers have no injured players for this lineup:
Having Murphy or Napoli changes things up a bit. Once Beltre comes back, Young goes back to being the primary DH, Napoli probably doesn't play every day because Torrealba is the better catcher, and Murphy and Chavez will platoon. Offensively, the best lineup includes Napoli and Chavez. Defensively, the lineup includes Torrealba and Murphy, with Hamilton playing CF. Lots of variables in play here.
I basically agree with Adam's lineup.
For something a bit more radical, you might try:
Hamilton could handle the pressure of hitting 4, and he would still be protected by Napoli. I love the one-two punch of Hamilton Napoli.
Elvis Elvis Elvis' speed and bunting at the topKinsler kinsler Kinsler base running/run scoringHamilton Hamilton Power is down but doubles and avg produces runsCruz Beltre Cruz inconsistent power but plenty of itNapoli Cruz Naps may be most consistent and you want rbi opsfor himYoung Napoli Young good avg and fairly clutch late in gameTorrealba Young Yorvit starting to hit but would be mostly out late in season<NapsMoreland Moreland Moreland streaky like to keep him out of pressure situationChavez Chavez Speed at nine spot with Gentry platoon to flip lineup
Alan, I think a strong argument can be made that Murphy is not part of our best defensive alignment.
Assuming full health:KinslerYoungHamiltonBeltreNapoliCruzMorelandChavez/GentryElvis
I also don't necessarily think it is a given that torrealba is a better catcher than napoli.
Here is what it WILL BE in September...
You combine that line-up with good pitching? Forget about it....
Here is what I think it should be for the rest of the year for the most part when all are healthy.
1. Kinsler2. Young3. Hamilton4. Beltre5. Cruz6. Napoli7. Moreland8. Andrus9. Chavez
Good responses, everyone. I consider this thread a success!
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