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Here's a hypothetical: What if the Rangers bullpen this year was, at least adequate? What would our record be right now? I think we'd have at least 72 wins....at least.
"I think we'd have at least 72 wins"What are you basing this assumption on?
Probably less than the Angels if they had a good offense.
@Dark...I think the assumption is based (from the hypothetical question) on the fact that the Rangers bullpen is 13-21 this year. They are the only team in the A.L with an overall winning record that has bullpen with a losing record and it's not even close. Considering that most bullpens, even the better bullpens sit somewhere around the .500 mark and saying that the bullpen is just "adequate", I think it's fair to assume that the Rangers could probably have 4 more wins right now and a record of 67-47. If they had a shut down bullpen this year, I could see 70 wins or so
@ModelTFordThanks for you response. I was particularly wondering about the "at least 72 wins" part of the original post but your argument of being at 67 wins with an average bullpen is definitely more convincing.
I would say that our bullpen has lost at least 9 games for us this year. That's my argument.
All bullpens lose games, even the good ones. The current pen of the Rangers is actually pretty decent and the end result should back that up as long as the pen is used effectively.
Very conservatively, five more wins, and a six-game lead.
i believe it could be around the 72 mark. There is a complicated math equation to see how many wins you should have gotten. The randers were at 67-48. Now if we had a better bullpen all season i could still see that being around 70-72.
@Dark Reins. Maybe you aren't understanding the hypothetical here. It was simply to state our record with a good bullpen. And to your point, no our bullpen isn't a very good one. It got a lot better when we got Adams and Uehara because our other pitchers could be used in roles that correctly suited them. But our bullpen has been pretty atrocious for the majority of this season. A season that could have seen us win 8 or 9 more games if our bullpen was what it should have been. So yes, we could have made it to 72 wins with an adequate pen.
the rangers had the worst bullpen in the majors at one point. they're the only team with a general winning record and a losing relief pitching record.
I'll go for a more literal response to your question.19, 18, 16(us), 15, 14, 13, 13, 13, 12, 12, 11, 10, 8, 7
For purposes of the original quesion, call "adequate" 12. We're 65-51. If you swap 12 blown saves for our 16 you get a 4 game improvement to 69-47. If you figure the better bullpen keeps you close enough for one more comeback you'd get to 70-46 or right about where Boston sits.
If you want to ask a different question it might be what if our pen matched Boston's pen with only 7 blown saves. That's a 9 game swing and we're 74-42 or right about where Philadelphia sits.
The additions at the deadline have a chance to make a real difference, particularly if Nefti gets things figured out before we get to September. That's why you hear so many ESPN talking heads starting to gush about Texas' prospects for the post season. We made moves that "should" turn a weakness into a strength. If we zip past adequate and land at strong . . . the bullpen is going to give us a real shot to have a fun post season.
Now, about that darn hamstring . . ..
In my post above . . .
19, 18, 16(us), 15, 14, 13, 13, 13, 12, 12, 11, 10, 8, 7
. . . that string of numbers is blown saves by team in the American League. Deleted that tidbit out while editing.
Well done Guy R. That's some statistical evidence there.
When I asked what are you basing that assumption on, it wasn't because I was disagreeing. I just wanted some backing logic or explanation of where you were coming from. Several people have given pretty good examples. I realize that right up until the trades the pen was pretty bad and I did say "current pen" so it's pretty obvious I was referring to how the pen is currently set up.The point I was trying to make, albeit in probably too subtle of a way, when I referred to the end results backing up the fact that the pen has improved if used effectively was that I feel the Wash Factor is partly responsible for the numbers thus far.Now, Marcus (and all the other avid Wash supporters)... simmer down... I don't want RW replaced or anything and I think he's probably one of the better managers in the league but I do think that he has a lot of room for improvement in regard to his usage of the bullpen. There have been several games where I feel the pen was used ineffectively which ultimately resulted in blown leads, blown saves, etc...So let me reiterate that I don't want RW replaced, I just want him to improve - just like he wants and expects his players to improve. What I am worried about is that the current pen is still under the effects of the Wash Factor.
@Dark Reins your point about Wash's moves being suspect at times is true. However as Joey has tried to tell us over and over that it is Maddux and Wash. I believe Wash listens to Maddux more that he might say an infield coach, I have heard Wash say that he leans on Maddux more to make up for his weakness with pitching. Yeah that's an almost direct quote from a Radio interview on the Ben and Skin show a few days ago.
Here is the other thing about what appeared to be strange BP moves in first part of the year. What was available the next day? In other words I was ready for Wash's head earlier in the year when someone (Joey I think) pointed out well he had pitcher x y z to go to, they were down in the game by 1 but only had x and z to pitch in a lead situation the next night so he went with y when y might not have been the best choice due to the game situation and the looming game the next day.
My only point is you can go to almost any fan site and see people having issues with BP management. The think I come back to over and over again is that we as fans do not have the same information a manager does. We can call down to the BP and ask the BP coach hey does Nefi have control of his fastball tonight or other such questions. So while Wash got schooled by Bochy (sp) in the WS Bochy got schooled in his prior WS appearance and learned from it, hopefully Wash has done the same and in Wash I trust.
One last thing there are plenty on this board that needlessly blast Wash but I appreciate that you didn't you just brought up a very valid point.Peace
Last year our bullpen was a +4.5. This year it's a -0.3. So 4-5 games. The Angels could say the same though.
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