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I know that this has been discussed in the past, but Rosenthal just wrote an article about the chances that Yu Darvish might become a Ranger next season or the one after that. It would be a nice fit. Enjoy.
Bring it on. If there's a decent chance our rotation will look different next year, it's certainly worth looking into.
The Rangers have quite the diverse club (not that any other teams don't).
I can just see the "Who's on First?" jokes now, though:
"Who is pitching?""Yu is pitching.""Me? I'm not pitching..."
"No, Yu Dar pitching..."
I don't want to back the truck up for the guy, but anytime that Jason Botts backs a pitcher, I'm in!
That deal will likely be in the 150-175 range including the posting fee. That's a huge gamble...but if the scouts and everyone else out there says yes, I have to believe it. I understand we wouldn't do Cliff, but this guy will be 24-25 when next season starts so I say yes. Does this mean CJ is gone, probably. At this rate though, I wouldn't be too butt hurt to trade CJ for Darvish. We could always resign CJ too.He also gives us options if we wanted to include Holland or Harrison in a potential trade for Felix or Kershaw. Just sayin...
Baseball reference has the posting for DiceK at 51mil. Think the Rangers are willing to bid more than that to negotiate with YU? The 150-175 seems a bit low depending on the length of the contract offered.
You're probably right. It may actually get to an absurd 200 for the guy. I just hope past failures (most of the Japanese players fall off in the MLB) factor in to his fee.I'm thinking 80 for the bid gets it done and hopefully a 75-100 mil for the contract. Dice-K was for a combined 103. We'll see...
Yeah, but Darvish is different on many levels. He was already a much talked about pitcher when I still lived in Japan in 2006 and he was 19 or so. (similar to the pre-MLB Strasbourg hoopla). Its never been a question of if but rather when he would go onto America. The guy is legitimately awesome at pitching, and the only way the silent auction will yield a lower amount is if the clubs that have been burned by their own past purchases of Japanese players such as the Yankees and Red Sox were to place low ball bids.
Fun to dream, but there's simply no way we would win that posting battle. Matsuzaka drew $50M in his posting, and while that was in a different economic environment, Darvish's NPB numbers blow Matsuzaka's NPB numbers away.
Darvish is arguably one of the 5-10 best pitchers in the world already, but he will cost way too much for the Rangers.
I have to think that Boston, NYY, and Texas will be the front runners with no real contenders in the NL (unless LAD or NYM get their money issues figured out) with SEA and LAA being the darkhorses
I think a posting fee in the $60 mil range and a $80 mil over 5 years with a 6th year option at ~$20 mil gets it done. From everything I've read, this is one guy worth getting even at a high price, especially if you can get him away from the Yanks or Sox. I would rather have Darvish for $160 mil than Felix for Perez, Profar, Ross, Olt, Scheppers, etc.
But then again, they aren't my prospects and it isn't my money. I trust JD to make the right call. Hell, maybe we end up with both if he can work his magic ;)
R100, you think Darvish is really that good, top 5-10 in the world? Like, Halladay good? Are you basing that on something you hear from scouts? Whether or not that's true, I'm a bit uncomfortable with the posting process and I don't think I'd really want the Rangers to "win". I trust them to make a reasonable bid, but I expect that bid to come up short with someone like the Yankees bidding way more than I'd want the Rangers to pay just to negotiate a huge contract.
BTW, Rossi, it was not Rosenthal that wrote the article, it was Morosi.
The only reason I think we will win the posting process is bc we have 2 billionaires in our back pocket and JD seems to find a way to keep our top prospects. When it's just money on the line for a 24 year old possible ace...it just makes sense. Texas never gets a TORP to come here unless it's for a trade. Darvish makes sense in every possible way for these Texas Rangers.Could you imagine if we got him AND Kershaw or Felix, personal pref. being Kershaw bc he's a Dallas native.
Our staff would have an average age of what, 26? ...wowza.
@P1 Stefen...I agree with the Darvish comments you made...As for Kershaw or Felix is concerned, are you just wishing and hoping? I doubt Felix will go anywhere anytime soon bc he just signed a fat contract extension last year and would cost so much in prospects to go and get...Kershaw, however, is a lot more realistic with all the issues the Dodgers are having and I think he is eligible for arbitration after this year and will likely have his pay increase by a huge amount at a time when the Dodgers are having all their financial issues. Maybe he is moved this offseason to keep him off their payroll? Then he has 2 years left before he hits the open market and unless something drastic happens to the Dodgers as an organization...he will be moved...that would be f-ing sweet for him to come back to his home
It may actually get to an absurd 200 for the guy.
I doubt that very much. It will very likely take nine digits between the posting fee and contract, but I'll be absolutely stunned if the total commitment proves greater than, say, $150M. Granted, I don't have a real great feel for what he's going to pull down, but I am confident that he's not going to end up requiring a larger commitment than even CC Sabathia's $161M deal.
For what it's worth, KG said at NMLR Night that Darvish would likely end up as more of a No. 2-3 starter in the majors than a true ace.
I've figured all along that he'd be a #2 at best. If Darvish was a true ace he'd be absolutely destroying the NPB, throwing a dozen shutouts a season. I can't see paying $150M for a #2 pitcher. Again, I'll just trust that the Rangers have done their homework and will make a bid they feel is reasonable.
I know you can clip together several pitches and make anybody looked like an ace, but this young guy got some nasty stuff.Of course I don't know what kind of control he has or anything, but he is fun to watch !!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOu3fQu81Gk&feature=related
Okay, so I had to use a converter I found on Google to convert 155-156 km/h to mph. That's a consistent 96-97 mph fastball that he's showcasing. I know it's not the same as major league hitters, but he sort of looks like he might have some King Felix in him.
On the other hand, he has a really slow delivery to the plate. Easy to steal on.
@steve...I have no idea what any of those words mean...but he sounds like a rock star!
In regards to Kershaw and the Dodgers, Dodgers will also need to sign Kemp and Ethier to long term deal as he is also entering into his arbitration years.
R100, you think Darvish is really that good, top 5-10 in the world? Like, Halladay good? Are you basing that on something you hear from scouts?
I would say Halladay is top 3, if not top 1, so not quite that. I was basically meaning to say "5-10ish range, maybe even top 5."
Just basing it on things I've read and his unprecedented dominance of the NPB. Could be too aggressive, but he appears to be really, really good.
If Darvish was a true ace he'd be absolutely destroying the NPB, throwing a dozen shutouts a season.
Not quite a dozen shutouts (he has 4 so far this year), but otherwise he is pretty much absolutely destroying the NPB.
His 2009-2011 K/BB (his age 22-24 seasons):
2009: 167/51 (3.27)2010: 222/54 (4.11)2011: 159/24 (6.63)
His season ERAs for these years: 1.73, 1.78, 1.67, respectively.
Thanks, R100, for posting the numbers. I don't frequent any sites that post NPB stats so I didn't realize he had been that dominant. Looking at the numbers in the link you provided, I'm impressed not only with how dominant he's been lately, but just how good he was in his age 18-19 seasons. His K rates are very impressive throughout his career, and his BB rates have really come down:2005: K 12.7%; BB 11.7% age 182006: K 18.3%; BB 10.2%2007: K 26.6%; BB 6.2% Holy shit2008: K 27.2%; BB 5.8% Holier shit2009: K 23.8%; BB 6.4% 2010: K 27.6%; BB 5.8% Mystical, legendary sex2011: K 29.9%; BB 3.95% Jaw-slackening, drool-inducing, catatonic state of amazement
At this point, I've got to assume he's getting bored with the NPB and is considering MLB as his next challenge.
Good heavens. Those stats are truly insane.
I wonder how much truth there is to those rumors. We could certainly use a TORP, and there's a chance he might be one. Still too hard to tell, as it's a different world over there.
It was Rangers people who figued out what a good buy Colby would be. I trust them to come up with the right figure for Yu,...er.... us. Will that figure be more than other teams will pay? I don't know, but if it is, then good. Let them overpay.
how do those number compare to dice-k's at the time. just curious and definately not being a debbie downer i've been all for Yu since i heard JD was in Japan and i did some research, just seems taking a japanese pitcher lately is a bigger gamble than some of these hs and college kids, they just struggle to adapt to our style of play. i'm just curious to seek what kinda of numbers Dice-K posted since he was the last oriental pitcher with Yu type hype.
I think the Japanese Posting system almost guarantee's Winner's Curse on top Free Agents. By the time you pay posting fee + Contract, you end up with a player that can't justify his contract.
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