What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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The way I see it, we acquired a big-time reliever for spare parts; we didn't trade any of our prospects. There's no room for Tommy Hunter in Texas with the emergence of Alexi Ogando, Matt Harrison, and Derek Holland and we all know the case of Chris Davis. This still leaves one roster spot open...makes me feel like JD is up to making at least one more move.
Nice win-win. We get Uehara who will be the primary 8th inning guy, without giving up any key prospects. They get Tommy and CD, who will be cheap help for them long-term, for a 36-year-old RP. Tommy and CD get the chance to play regularly, which both deserve. JD gets to add another RP. Had he added 2 RPs without dealing Hunter, then Rhodes gets DFA'd and either Tommy or Yoshi gets sent to AAA. Now, he can still add another RP in Rhodes' spot without losing a useful RP.
Uehara and Yoshi need a good nickname, like "The Bullpen Ninjas" or some such.
1st: On this trade, I love the deal. Tommy is injury prone and Davis will always play second fiddle to Moreland. He's had his opportunities and I wish him the best of luck because he is truly a Gold Glove caliber 1st Basemen. Uehara will be CRITICAL if he can stay healthy and he is a major aide in the bullpen for 2012. Gotta love everything about this deal. I think most people are more attatched to the two names of players becuase they've been around for awhile. Also, you have to love the roster spot that is open if we can use it.
On that note: I know we have Leonys Martin, and I am as big of a fan of him as anybody, but would anyone else like to see Michael Bourn in CF in Arlington? I mean, we have the roster spot now and easily have the prospects to get it done. If we could get the deal done without giving up Martin then I think it's a slam dunk. Bourn isn't a FA until after 2012 and by then Martin should be ready to take over every day in CF. I know we're not considered to be in on Bourn at all, but that would classify as the "big splash" we were said to be trying to make IMO.
I mean, the guy has a .306/.367/.409 line and leads the NL with 39 steals. He's an above average defensive center fielder and the Astros are trying to move him. I know it's a long shot, but would anyone else be for trying to acquire him? What would you be willing to give up in the package?
I think this is a good trade for both teams. I'm sorry to see both Hunter and Davis go, but they are going into a great opportunity to prove themselves. The Rangers get a proven commodity back who can likely still pitch effectively for three more years.
Not absolutely sure Texas needs to make another move, unless they can unload Feldman and/or Rohodes on someone and bring O'Day back up from RR.
In one sense, it tells the Padres they don't have to make a move. In another, it tells the Padres they gave up two Major League players for a set up man, so I'm not sure the price for Bell or Adams went down at all.
I love it. Baltimore gets an upgrade at 3B and a solid middle to back rotation pitcher. It gives both of these guys, who were already ill fitting for the current Rangers roster, a place where they can do some good for their new team and their own careers. Any Rangers fan who has watched those two succeed and struggle with us should be happy to see them get a real shot at success.
Best of all it was as good of an overpayment for a reliever, we could have wished. This is a good win-win.
I also love it because coming from the AL East, Uehara should be less incline to suffer at the hands of AL West's weaker opponents after pitching in Yankee Stadium and Fenway. I don't like NL pitchers from pitcher's parks. It seems like we always end up with the short end of the stick on those trades.
Does anyone have a line on his performance against the AL East beasts?
This was a hefty price to pay for Koji, but it is the type of moderate overpay that a team as good as Texas (in the standings and in the farm) should be prepared to make.
I wonder what's next if anything. I can see maybe a Heath Bell trade if the Padres decide to demand moderate as opposed to outrageous overpay, but I can also see the Rangers sitting tight with just the Koji trade and maybe some other peripheral deals.
I feel a little weird about all the love out there for this trade.
I agree with the trade and its a good deal for us but I also see it as moderate overpay.
I'm ok with moderate overpay but people are acting like we didn't just give up a lot, and we did.
Joe, I think everyone has the love because the cost to the future was minimal. Davis had no place within the organization since 1B, 3B and DH are filled for several years to come. Hunter was not getting his rotation spot back and the next round of kids from the farm project higher then Hunter. He had no steady future here.
When you look at the cost of all the best relievers on the market, the White Sox seemed to want Holland for Thornton or Erlin and some high end lower prospects for Bell or Adams. The prospect demands for relievers in all the trade rumors have been ridiculous. This trade was an overpayment but it was at least one that most of us can stomach.
I am terrified of a Bell deal because of the cost. I think he will not be the same pitcher in Texas as he was in San Diego. I love this trade because I think there is a chance that he will do well here.
Maybe I am wrong but that is my feeling about it.
It looks like the Indians just acquired Ubaldo Jimenez.
Because we didn't give up a lot. We got rid of two players whose potential was waning fast. Chris Davis is AAAA player with upside, sure, but he can't figure out Major League hitters (plus what is his spot on this team 3d? 1st?). Hunter, like Feldman, is a guy who won a lot of games last year because of run support and luck. Give Hunter another season, and he may really have been Feldman, i.e. someone with zero trade value.
"The Bullpen Ninjas" would be a great name for a band.
I agree with those sentiments. I just bristle at those who aren't taking what we gave up into enough account. I think what makes this trade so "stomachable," and I guess that is the measure of most trades, is that we don't have a great need for Davis and Hunter in Texas going forward. I think there is another side of the trade though, and that is the overpay aspect. It just seems like Davis and Hunter in general are more valuable than Koji for a year and a third. But it isn't only about what is more valuable, but rather what our needs are and what the Orioles needs are. Many here have said they love this trade based on the fact we don't mightily need Davis and Hunter and I agree with that, but we also need to realize that Hunter and Davis are more valuable in general than Koji for one and a third years. Bottom line is, I think it is the fact that we really need Koji and don't really need Davis and Hunter that makes this trade so stomachable. If it really is true that everyone is asking for ridiculous overpay for relievers this deadline then I see how one might say they love this deal. It is a great alternative to selling the farm for an overrated closer or other such horrors. So if you look at it from that perspective and I think that is what you are doing I can say too that I love this trade, at least after all of the appropriate qualifiers.
PS I really love that Koji and Yoshi will have some great company from their native Japan. Hopefully they like to talk to each other.
How about "the two headed dragon"
Yoshi and Koji are friends. Unless it was photshopped, I've seen pictures on the internet of them eating together. Good point on contrasting "Needs for the team" vs "overall value" There's no way we listen to the demands and give up our best pitching prospects for a reliever when pitching is so valuable.
@Joe1. It's quite possible CD may have been gone on waivers next year anyways.2. Hunter is a SP, and it's quite possible he would never start for us again.
So while I understand your logic about value, it's also quite possible these 2 guys could have absolutely ZERO value as of next year. We just traded 2 spares holding down roster spots #23 and #24, Rhodes has the honor of #25, with whatever value they have left on a championship roster to a cellar dwelling team for arguably a top 10 relief pitcher in all of baseball.
There should be zero second guessing by anyone. If you are....then you're overvaluing those 2 players and living in fantasy land to think we could get a great relief pitcher for spares.Oh wait, JD just did that.Zinggggg!Keep it rolling JD.
By the way, its a small world Tateyama and Uehara went to the same H.S. They will most certainly talk to each other ;)
Sounds like J.D. might have considered some things not quite baseball-related in this trade. I really like having him as the G.M.
I think if you surveyed 30 ML GMs and asked them if they would rather have 1.5 years of Koji + 1-2 Comp Picks or 4.5 years each of Hunter and Davis, the majority of them would say Koji + the pick(s). I actually think this might be a case of Baltimore accepting giving more value for less due to team needs. Specifically, Baltimore will not contend during the remainder of Koji's contract, and losing clubs need innings-eaters (Hunter) and longshot prospects with upside (Davis) more than late-innings RPs. Meanwhile, the trade market was flooded with RPs with bigger names than Uehara being offerred at ransom prices, and Baltimore decided to undercut the market to push the Rangers to deal for Uehara over Bell/Adams/Clippard/Bailey/Nunez/et al.
In other words, they got less than 1.5 years of Koji is worth, but more than 1 year of Koji would have been netted them in the offseason.
I just don't think that if you ask professional personel men in the League you will find much high regard for either Hunter or Davis...
I think you right on the money with Bourn. I would love to see him roaming CF with Hamilton in left and Cruz in right. It fills the only major hole we still have on this roster and could help maximize our offensive production by moving Kinsler into a run production role and having a traditional leadoff man to hit in front of Andrus and Hamilton. It would be everything everyone hoped Borbon would be but has yet to achieve.
Leave Martin in the minors to continue polishing his skills. Then at the trade deadline next year Bourn could be used as a premium trade piece provided Martin is ready to make an impact.
Jon Paul Morosi posted on twitter this evening that DET was talking to TEX yesterday and trying to trade for Tommy Hunter, so apperently TEX had his name out there as being available.
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