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Looking at the Marlins' pitching roster, I see that Sanchez has the better ERA, while Nolasco has the better WHIP (if I calculated it correctly). Which would this group say is the better indicator to go by?

July 24, 2011 at 11:32 AM | Unregistered CommenterJoe Don

era would be a better indication, but even that does not always give a true indicator of future success...

July 24, 2011 at 12:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterAggie E

Both are fine stats, far better than say, wins and losses. Neither is used much by sabremetricans because both are unduly influenced by factors beyond a pitchers control, such as luck and quality of the defense behind them. ERA contains home run rate in it, which is good thing. On the other hand, it has more statistical noise in it, especially in a small sample. If you are looking for better stats, try xFIP or Sierra.

July 24, 2011 at 12:23 PM | Unregistered Commenterbadspellr

I may be completely wrong but WHIP seems to involve less luck than ERA. Pitchers who limit baserunners tend to have more success than those who do not.

July 24, 2011 at 3:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterAdam

I may be completely wrong but WHIP seems to involve less luck than ERA. Pitchers who limit baserunners tend to have more success than those who do not.

Well, you have the walk component, which is obviously far less a function of luck and more one of pitcher skill, and then you have the hits component, which is obviously governed by batted-ball luck to a substantial degree. I guess I've never really thought about which indicator better reflects pitcher skill because I'm really not a huge fan of either statistic (and, as you might have noticed, don't really incorporate either statistic into my front-page posts).

July 24, 2011 at 4:45 PM | Registered CommenterJoey Matschulat