What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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This is the guy I'd go for if I were JD. He's a Texas ex, has a high salary so probably wouldn't cost you as much as younger, cheaper ones like Clippard or Bailey, might go for setting up this 2nd half of the season, could slide into closer next year as Feliz goes to the rotation, and is as solid as they come. Seems to me to be the perfect fit and the perfect candidate.
One Feliz is not going into the rotation. We already have 2 starters in the bullpen.
Two Street would cost a lot both in prospects and money for the Rangers. Now I am not against trading Chris Davis plus one or two B- prospects but don't think Colorado is going to just give him away.
What? Are you saying we have two starters FROM the bullpen? So what cj and ogando have been freaking all stars! I have no problem with Feliz moving to the rotation in baseball you never know. Was ogando projected to be a starter a few years ago? Wasn't homer bailey the number one pitching prospect in baseball? While Brandon wood was the best power hitting prospect?
All I'm saying is it's baseball, don't rule anything out
You might want to look more closely at your logic there.
I like the Street idea, and I touched upon it at the end of my second morning post (!) ... I think the main issue is, he's looking at $8 million guaranteed past 2011, and a couple of million more this season, and Jon Daniels has talked about being pretty averse to paying big money for relievers on multi-year commitments. It's an interesting idea, but at the same time, I don't know that I look at it and think that it's a good-looking match on paper.
You're probably right, Joey (that Street's salary is too high). But the alternative, if they truly want to find an upgrade to what they have, is probably going to be painful in the loss of real prospects. The benefit here would be you could probably get him just for the $ and maybe a guy like Davis (although I don't know what their depth chart looks like at 1B). I do see, however, how that added salary would be an impediment in signing some of these guys in the offseason that they need to sign. So maybe it's not the perfect idea after all.
I can't understand why so many people want Ogando back in the bullpen, or are so distraught about having starters in the bullpen or bullpen in rotation. Ogando is a starter (ALL STAR) until he proves he can't handle the innings workload. Feldman and Hunter, for a variety of reasons, are not cut out to be starters. Feldman never had much talent anyway, and had one lucky outlier season, and Hunter's fat butt can't keep in shape well enough to man a rotation spot. Lastly, Feliz is much more valuable to us as a starter, and should be given an opportunity for the first half next year to prove that. If he doesnt prove his worth, and his confidence is forever shaken by it, Oh Well! He wasnt cut out to be great anyway. There are more potential closers out there than any other position in baseball.
What Trey said...
I am so confused. Trey and Caleb get it. Ogando has earned his spot for one. For two, why we don't just get Clippard instead of a closer, who will cost more, is beyond me. Feliz has no spot in this rotation next year. And to bolster my statement even further, I don't want him in my rotation. What has he done this year to show you he should have that chance? Sure, he has a blazing fast ball. What other plus pitches does he have? PLUS? That would be none. You have a 5 man rotation kicking-ass and taking names right now. You have youth jumping hurdles to get here. Let Feliz be who he is... the next Mariano Rivera. What is so damn wrong with that moniker?
Umm, we can work ALL that out NEXT year, whilst Daniels gives his BEST Effortpackaging the right combination in trade for, Jimenez AND Street, away from the Rox.It's the only way to take the Yankees out of the picture for Jimenez only. If this dealhas any REAL Legs to stand on, we put the Yanks back two more pegs in the AL Race.We know, with ANY deal, we'll be going up against the Yankees. It's High Stakes Poker...BoyeeeZ
HubZ - Jiminez is a bad idea! Trust me. The Rox are sellers. Go get Chacin! I wish you'd re-examine.
Ogando has earned his spot for one.
Okay, we agree.
For two, why we don't just get Clippard instead of a closer, who will cost more, is beyond me.
You're on the right track, but this is really simplifying things. It is assumed that closers will universally demand higher asking prices, but it is not a certainty. It's also possible that the organization sees something in Clippard that it doesn't like, some trait that is present more so in another reliever that they are targeting.
And to bolster my statement even further, I don't want him in my rotation. What has he done this year to show you he should have that chance? Sure, he has a blazing fast ball. What other plus pitches does he have? PLUS?
Because if Feliz could harness the fastball/breaking ball in a starting role -- yes, the breaking ball has flashed plus or better, it's more a matter of consistency -- and the change-up could be just average, and if he could command those pitches in a starting role in the way that he has hinted at during so many of his good appearances, Feliz to the rotation is a no-brainer. None of these things are givens, and maybe he will remain in the closer's role over the long haul, but it would still be disappointing to not see him get an extended opportunity in the rotation at some point.
Maybe I didn't explain myself. I said Feliz won't be going into the rotation not because he couldn't handle it but because we have to other option at closer (I don't wannna hear an argument on that). Also he pitched very well in spring training and JD and Wash still decided it would be better for him to close even though are rotation was in disarray at the time.
Not to mention the fact that we have Hunter and Feldman in the bullpen plus Perez who will be on the Spring Training roster. So that will be 8 starters or 7 if C.J. doesn't resign.
So I don't think that Feliz doesn't have the stuff or stamina to pitch late into games. I believe the Rangers just don't think that is an option yet.
Rick~It's a funny story, with a lot of Rox Drama. Reconsidering, is stating that I have oneiota of a finger in the decision. I can roll with just about any story out there... arms length.Most everyone say they "Trust Daniels", but in the same breath- "don't give the farm away".Daniels has laid out Scouting, Player Development and ALL, that goes with his GM Package.I happen to trust "his whole system". OK, so we lose a top prospect or two, to get a TORP.Sorry, the well ain't run dry. There's a kid somewhere in Bumphuk, sewing up Soccer Ballsfor a meal, that speaks similar talent as Pedro or any of the Cabreras'... even maybe, Clemente.I'll sit back, ear bent and smile... but something WILL hit and Hit hard, as New Rangers. Yippee!
HubZ - I concur. And I do trust Jon. He learned from his few mistakes, and learned very well. The well is never dry. Truth be told, there are 14 and 15 year olds that we are chomping at the bit to turn 16 in Latin America. the Pacific Rim has some potential players as well. So? Okay, we trade some pieces... good pieces. if they are log-jammed anyway, and we are impeding their development? Do it. They will be replaced. Just do it with someone who will make this team immeasureably better. Not Jiminez. You cannot tell me for a second (provided you're really ready to part ways with some really good prospects) that Clippard, Chacin, and Kershaw can not only be gotten, but that they would probably put us over the top. (All 3 controllable)
OK, I'll try to be as pragmatic, yet drool at the same time. ALL three have talent I like. BUT...LAD/Kershaw was MY guy 3-2 weeks ago. LAD, is now in the hands of Commish Office.He will not allow the flush out of talent. Only big contracts have chance at sneak out.Everyone loves Clippard, but he's a reliever that Daniels WILL NOT pay a Premium for. Which leaves Darl'n Chacin. He has NO innings under belt-unproven & a risk chance in ANYplayoffs. Sorry, he does not get the team over the edge, in Playoffs. So, you reconsider. Weneed a TORP and a good back end guy. Jimenez or Sanchez don't flutter my face, but I'mconsidering the alternative without. The upside is, they're BOTH gamers and very intense.
Actually, I'd rather give up Colby, over Harry or Dutch... I like Hunter in the bull pen a lot.I'd really like to have BELL/ADAMS Combo in our Pen... Daniels settle for a weak starter?No way... he goes BIG
I think you under-rate Chacin. Maybe I see potential, not just numbers. But I get where you're coming from. As far as the Dodgers, I cannot see the Commish refusing to let LA bolster their ailing Farm System by making a move. I blame the Commish for letting it come to this with LA, as well as what happened here in Texas with Hicks. It should never get this far, but I digress. Clippard may not cost you as much as you think, BUT... if you start talking Adams? You get my attention, even if it means Bell too. Question is? How much? And I agree he (JD) goes BIG. What if Seattle was to offer up the King? Do anything for you?
Oh, and I agree, Harry and Dutch stay put. Combine their ages with what I have seen, and yes, they stay. Hunter should be the long man out of the BP. You are dead-on there. Fits him well.
Regarding the whole "what's wrong with hime being the next Mariano Rivera?" thing:
Rivera was a starter in the minors. He wasn't a very good prospect. He moved to the 'pen in the minors his stuff played up. So he became a closer in the Bigs. If the Yankees thought he could be even a solid #3 starter, he would have stayed a starter. Then, they could have NOT signed guys like AJ Burnett and Pavano and other grossly overpaid MORPs they've signed over the years, and instead spent far less on a proven Closer in FA (as they did this year on Soriano).
With Feliz, you have a kid who has ALWAYS been a top SP prospect, with TORP upside. He has the "stuff" for a plus-plus FB, plus breaking ball, and average change. In other words, TORP stuff. Poor consistency with his secondary stuff however. He also has an easy motion, which actually bodes quite well for his transistion back to the rotation. Thus, it would be a dreadful selfish crime to rob yourself of the chance to see if he's a TORP.
Thank you scoob ,most of the closers either didn't pan out as a starter or have been closers since college like drew storen. You HAVE to at least give Feliz the best oppertunity to succeed as a starter
Scooby - If you think for one second Feliz has any plus pitch other than the FB? You are not a baseball guy. At this point and time, til he develops and matures, he is a closer. Period. he cannot pitch multiple days in a row (1 inning) without should paid, You think he can throw fast-balls for 6 innings. You know what I use to do when I knew nothing but a fast-ball was coming? And his change or hanging curve? Please! Get a grip.
I didn't say he HAS a plus breaking ball. I said he has the STUFF to have a plus breaking ball. It has filthy movement, when it goes where he wants it to go. He will never bring that breaking ball to maturity as a closer- he never has to throw it. But the building blocks are there. You have to roll him out and let him progress in a starter's role.
If Feliz wants to become a starter, I have no doubt the Rangers will let him. I'm not sure Feliz wants to start, which makes wanting him to be a starter kind of moot.
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