What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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"@SI_JonHeyman Jon Heymanhearing #padres seek any 1 of baseball's very top prospects for mike adams. cant blame 'em for that. 0.70 WHIP, $2.5M sal2 hours ago via web"
That was posted on mlbtraderumors a bit ago. Would you give up Profar in a 1 for 1 swap? What about Scheppers?
@ WWJDD -
I give up Scheppers for Adams in a NY second. Are kidding me? And Adams is a Texas boy.
Perez in AAA. I dig it.
Profar- noPerez- Hell No
Anyone else the Rangers have wouldn't count as "any 1 of baseball's very top prospects".
Scheppers- yes in a New York minute.
Scheppers and Joe Weiland- still yes.
Schepper, Weiland, Davis, and Borbon- probably still yes.
I'd prefer Weiland's name be left out as well. but Scheppers and someone like Engel Beltre and another spare part? Yes. By all means, yes.
What about Martin and sheppers for maybin and Adams?
Beltre is @ 3rd for some years to come, then Olt. What about Scheppers and Mendonca?
Given the depth of SPs in this org, high floor/low ceiling guys like Weliand or Kirkman are more valuable as trade chips than future Rangers. Between Feliz, Ogando, Holland, Harrison, Martin Perez, Ramirez, Erlin, Ross, Mendez, Loux, David Perez, Luke Jackson, Buckel, Grimm, and this year's additions (Yojander Mendez, Travis Matthews, Will Lamb) there will eventually be 5 guys who block Weiland out of the rotation even if he hits his ceiling as a borderline #3/good #4 SP.
You're dead-on about depth, and Scott Lucas confirmed basically what you said when I asked him about the trio of Ross, Weiland, and Erlin. He basically said of the three, Weiland will never be a top of the rotation guy. Just doesn't have the dominating stuff. His intelligence is what is giving him success. That said, he said, it will not translate to anything more than a back of the rotation guy in the majors. So, I concur. I'd part for the right deal.
I'd mix it up and go for Adams & Bell. Find out what SD is thinking.Surely we'd come out with one, if not both. We have the prospects.
Some of you are border line retarded. 4 players for a reliever? Really? See how Soriano and Benoit have worked out? Dont ever overpay for a reliever.
Yeah, 4 guys, 1 hot RP prospect, and 3 spare parts. That's not overpaying for a RP.
Not gonna jinx it, but I hope you Holland haters are watching this.
HubZ, Clippard would cost less than Bell,both prospect and salary wise, and you'd still have him next year. Surely you jest about both Bell and Adams. But I'd take Adams too. Holland's three shut-outs? 5H, 4H, 5H. Let the maturation process begin. For Holland it has begun. I meant for the Holland haters on here. Grow up and learn some baseball.
Besides how good he's pitching this year, given how young and affordable Clippard is and that the Nationals are at .500 for the first time in forever with Clippard being a big part of that, I think they would be really hesitant to deal him away. I think they'd ask for a young setup guy to replace Clippard like Scheppers.
There is no way I trade Martin Perez for anything that a team would realistically offer for him. In not saying you go all in on this kid just yet, but you at least want to see the flop.
I also would not trade Profar, unless it is in a deal for a top of the rotation guy. Absoultely not for bull pen help, unless it was the entire bullpen of the SF Giants, or Atlanta Braves.
No way in hell is a setup man worth a top-two SS prospect in the game -- not even one as good and cost-controlled as Adams. I'd rather take my chances with Tommy Hunter's FB/CB playing up in the eighth inning than give up Profar (or Perez) for Adams.
Clippard's not going anywhere. He's a building block & part of Nats young foundation.Pads want to deal? Adams & Bell could be had. Throw in a clean dinner napkin & a sealed toothpick to start negotiations. Bell may sign elsewhere in winter, but Adams could stick.Knowing the end result is going to be as such, Daniels can deal from strength. We havedisposable good young talent to deal/trade. Over paying for reliever(s)? Really crazy. OK, now pass the bread sticks & butter. Let's talk trade, San Diego.
Interesting responses... For the record, I wasn't suggesting they SHOULD trade Profar for Adams, but that since SD has said they want a top tier prospect, and TX isn't going to give them Perez, then that leaves Profar. Scheppers - and probably another guy like perhaps Weiland, as some have mentioned above - for Adams might be worth considering, but given Scheppers injury history, you have to think SD would pass on that.
For what it's worth, if we decide we are going to pay the piper and deal for a SD reliever, I would rather they go after Adams than Bell, b/c of age and salary. But I agree with all you guys that I wouldn't give up Profar for a reliever, no matter how good he is.
@ HubZ - They have made it clear he is available. @ Kristen - I'd give up Scheppers and Borbon as part of a Clippard package. The key would be the remaining piece(s).
Sure Rick, Clippard's available, but for for Profar or Perez? No thanks.Nats are being very specific with his WORTH. I know you're not a Fan of Heath Bell, but that's moot. I don't think Nats move Clippard, but thenI've been a dummy before. Now with Bell & Adam's on OUR Roster...that comes relatively cheap. It fills major gaps & allows RW to workwithin a real & set bull pen. Keeping Hunter with Adams & Bell makesfor an over all strength. If it becomes Clifford/Adams... well TOUCHE'.I believe the Rangers need two extra solid BP arms- back end 7-8-9th.
HubZ, mi Padrino, I have never heard either of those two associated with Clippard. Those two are among the select untouchables. The Heyman quote was in regards to Adams... that it would take two top tier prospects. Washington has an interest in Borbon. They will need a Cliipard replacement... Scheppers. And the what? It has been stated throughout the media that he will be the cheapest of all. I believe the price to be the lowest, his upside to be the greatest, and still under contract. I think he'd be a great fit in this club-house. And we all need to keep in mind, we all talk like we are the only ones shopping. There are others in the buyer's market, which could impede or even prohibit a deal being made, i.e. the Yankees messing up the market place.
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