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"@SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
hearing #padres seek any 1 of baseball's very top prospects for mike adams. cant blame 'em for that. 0.70 WHIP, $2.5M sal
2 hours ago via web"

That was posted on mlbtraderumors a bit ago. Would you give up Profar in a 1 for 1 swap? What about Scheppers?

July 14, 2011 at 4:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterWWJDD?

@ WWJDD -

I give up Scheppers for Adams in a NY second. Are kidding me? And Adams is a Texas boy.

July 14, 2011 at 5:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterRicky in Fort Worth

Perez in AAA. I dig it.

July 14, 2011 at 6:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterRicky in Fort Worth

Profar- no
Perez- Hell No

Anyone else the Rangers have wouldn't count as "any 1 of baseball's very top prospects".

However...

Scheppers- yes in a New York minute.

Scheppers and Joe Weiland- still yes.

Schepper, Weiland, Davis, and Borbon- probably still yes.

July 14, 2011 at 6:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterScooby Dude

I'd prefer Weiland's name be left out as well. but Scheppers and someone like Engel Beltre and another spare part? Yes. By all means, yes.

July 14, 2011 at 6:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterRicky in Fort Worth

What about Martin and sheppers for maybin and Adams?

July 14, 2011 at 6:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartin

Martin stays.

July 14, 2011 at 6:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterRicky in Fort Worth

Beltre is @ 3rd for some years to come, then Olt. What about Scheppers and Mendonca?

July 14, 2011 at 6:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterRicky in Fort Worth

Given the depth of SPs in this org, high floor/low ceiling guys like Weliand or Kirkman are more valuable as trade chips than future Rangers. Between Feliz, Ogando, Holland, Harrison, Martin Perez, Ramirez, Erlin, Ross, Mendez, Loux, David Perez, Luke Jackson, Buckel, Grimm, and this year's additions (Yojander Mendez, Travis Matthews, Will Lamb) there will eventually be 5 guys who block Weiland out of the rotation even if he hits his ceiling as a borderline #3/good #4 SP.

July 14, 2011 at 6:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterScooby Dude

You're dead-on about depth, and Scott Lucas confirmed basically what you said when I asked him about the trio of Ross, Weiland, and Erlin. He basically said of the three, Weiland will never be a top of the rotation guy. Just doesn't have the dominating stuff. His intelligence is what is giving him success. That said, he said, it will not translate to anything more than a back of the rotation guy in the majors. So, I concur. I'd part for the right deal.

July 14, 2011 at 6:37 PM | Unregistered CommenterRicky in Fort Worth

I'd mix it up and go for Adams & Bell. Find out what SD is thinking.
Surely we'd come out with one, if not both. We have the prospects.

July 14, 2011 at 7:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterHubZ

Some of you are border line retarded. 4 players for a reliever? Really? See how Soriano and Benoit have worked out? Dont ever overpay for a reliever.

July 14, 2011 at 7:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterRealist

Yeah, 4 guys, 1 hot RP prospect, and 3 spare parts. That's not overpaying for a RP.

July 14, 2011 at 10:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterScooby Dude

Not gonna jinx it, but I hope you Holland haters are watching this.

July 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterRicky in Fort Worth

HubZ, Clippard would cost less than Bell,both prospect and salary wise, and you'd still have him next year. Surely you jest about both Bell and Adams. But I'd take Adams too. Holland's three shut-outs? 5H, 4H, 5H. Let the maturation process begin. For Holland it has begun. I meant for the Holland haters on here. Grow up and learn some baseball.

July 14, 2011 at 11:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterRicky in Fort Worth

Besides how good he's pitching this year, given how young and affordable Clippard is and that the Nationals are at .500 for the first time in forever with Clippard being a big part of that, I think they would be really hesitant to deal him away. I think they'd ask for a young setup guy to replace Clippard like Scheppers.

July 15, 2011 at 12:42 AM | Unregistered CommenterKristen W.

There is no way I trade Martin Perez for anything that a team would realistically offer for him. In not saying you go all in on this kid just yet, but you at least want to see the flop.

I also would not trade Profar, unless it is in a deal for a top of the rotation guy. Absoultely not for bull pen help, unless it was the entire bullpen of the SF Giants, or Atlanta Braves.

July 15, 2011 at 12:56 AM | Unregistered CommenterSteve Balboni

No way in hell is a setup man worth a top-two SS prospect in the game -- not even one as good and cost-controlled as Adams. I'd rather take my chances with Tommy Hunter's FB/CB playing up in the eighth inning than give up Profar (or Perez) for Adams.

July 15, 2011 at 8:18 AM | Registered CommenterJoey Matschulat

Clippard's not going anywhere.
He's a building block & part of Nats young foundation.
Pads want to deal? Adams & Bell could be had. Throw in a clean dinner napkin & a sealed
toothpick to start negotiations. Bell may sign elsewhere in winter, but Adams could stick.
Knowing the end result is going to be as such, Daniels can deal from strength. We have
disposable good young talent to deal/trade. Over paying for reliever(s)? Really crazy.
OK, now pass the bread sticks & butter. Let's talk trade, San Diego.

July 15, 2011 at 9:03 AM | Unregistered CommenterHubZ

Interesting responses... For the record, I wasn't suggesting they SHOULD trade Profar for Adams, but that since SD has said they want a top tier prospect, and TX isn't going to give them Perez, then that leaves Profar. Scheppers - and probably another guy like perhaps Weiland, as some have mentioned above - for Adams might be worth considering, but given Scheppers injury history, you have to think SD would pass on that.

For what it's worth, if we decide we are going to pay the piper and deal for a SD reliever, I would rather they go after Adams than Bell, b/c of age and salary. But I agree with all you guys that I wouldn't give up Profar for a reliever, no matter how good he is.

July 15, 2011 at 10:59 AM | Unregistered CommenterWWJDD?

@ HubZ - They have made it clear he is available. @ Kristen - I'd give up Scheppers and Borbon as part of a Clippard package. The key would be the remaining piece(s).

July 15, 2011 at 11:58 AM | Unregistered CommenterRicky in Fort Worth

Sure Rick, Clippard's available, but for for Profar or Perez? No thanks.
Nats are being very specific with his WORTH. I know you're not a Fan
of Heath Bell, but that's moot. I don't think Nats move Clippard, but then
I've been a dummy before. Now with Bell & Adam's on OUR Roster...
that comes relatively cheap. It fills major gaps & allows RW to work
within a real & set bull pen. Keeping Hunter with Adams & Bell makes
for an over all strength. If it becomes Clifford/Adams... well TOUCHE'.
I believe the Rangers need two extra solid BP arms- back end 7-8-9th.

July 15, 2011 at 12:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterHubZ

HubZ, mi Padrino, I have never heard either of those two associated with Clippard. Those two are among the select untouchables. The Heyman quote was in regards to Adams... that it would take two top tier prospects. Washington has an interest in Borbon. They will need a Cliipard replacement... Scheppers. And the what? It has been stated throughout the media that he will be the cheapest of all. I believe the price to be the lowest, his upside to be the greatest, and still under contract. I think he'd be a great fit in this club-house. And we all need to keep in mind, we all talk like we are the only ones shopping. There are others in the buyer's market, which could impede or even prohibit a deal being made, i.e. the Yankees messing up the market place.

July 15, 2011 at 12:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterRicky in Fort Worth