After the dutch ovens 2nd CG shutout this season has he finally silenced the critics who say scott feldman needs to replace him in the rotation?

Rangers finally win this game, 13*-0.

Does it really matter? Neither Holland nor Feldman are playoff caliber, which is what we should be focused on at this point. That said, Holland has more potential, and Feldman isn't exactly dominating in AAA. So the Rangers should just stick with Holland.

I still cringe at the thought of Holland starting a playoff game. But I cringe even more at the thought of Hunter/Feldman.

Why is Holland not "playoff caliber" History tells me that he saved the Rangers bacon in Game 4 of the ALCS in 2010...

He didn't look too good in the WS whit all those straight balls. Pretty much lost that game. Post season xFIP on Holland isn't great either (super small sample size). With that said I think Holland has more upside that Hunter as a start just not the balls. He might have grown a set tonight though.

No I still remain a critic of him. We need to package Holland with other premier prospects and ship them over to LA for Mr. Clayton Kershaw. Kershaw is a 23-year-old ace who is from Dallas. A perfect fit for the Rangers!!!

We already had an "ace" that played half his games at Chevez Ravine. Did not work out very well....

BTW Kershaw's road ERA this year in 4.93 in the NL....

If you are referring to Vincente Padilla, then that is a poor analogy to Kershaw. If Kershaw is no good, then why did he make the All-Star team? Plus, he is like Cliff Lee at only 23 years old. Do you really think Kershaw would not be a nice replacement for Dutch Oven?

that sounds good and all but look if we want kershaw we would have to put holland perez erlin and profar in that deal like you said he is cliff lee at 23 and under team control for a while we gave up smoak leuke and beaven for a half year of cliff at 30 years old so the kershaw trade wont happen and why give up our future in holland he has potential to be better than lee if he gets his head right

not referring to Padilla, he was never considered a frotline pitcher and he went to the Dodgers after being a Ranger anyway...

What do you mean it didn't work out well the first time? I made $65 million and rarely contributed anything. It worked out well for me.....btw..if you guys have a chance to get kershaw (which i highly doubt), then you should probably take it. He is WAY better than I was.
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We've seen strong starts before from Derek. So, I doubt it will silence the critics, and for the same reason folks were downplaying Chavez' and Murphy hitting against Baltimore, I think you can say that Oakland isn't exactly the toughest test of a pitcher.

What we need to see from Derek is for him to string together a handful of good to very good starts, without any obvious sub 5 inning clunkers. Derek needs to start demonstrating a little more consistency as RW said.

Every time Holland takes the mound and experiences a NEW start,
data goes into his hard drive upstairs. His talent is obvious, as is his
athleticism. There will be a time when he simply needs to defrag and
pull it all together. He's a Home Grown Ranger and should stay as such.
If I were Nolan, I'd arrange a luncheon with Koufax, bring Holland... let
the experience speak for itself. Holland is in High Training w/ Graduation,
soon coming. His head is shortly behind his body. Feed the Head, Nolan.

Holland certainly has caused TEX to reorder its options. For now he's going to keep his spot in the rotation ... but would be great to see him go on a run of starts like this one. Better having him dueling to be the #2 ... than to be fighting to be #5.

That all said ... TEX has to activate Feldman and bring him back to the 25man during the ASB ... which may mean that instead of him going to the rotation directly had Holland faltered ... most likely TEX makes room for Feldman by optioning Tateyama to AAA.

Joey fair enough. I have learned my lesson never trust my eyes or my memory. My fault for not looking that up. He contributed to that loss just as the team did. He might could have stopped the bleeding but might not have. I am serious too, not being a smart ass.

"Why is Holland not "playoff caliber" History tells me that he saved the Rangers bacon in Game 4 of the ALCS in 2010..."

One good game in the ALCS does not a playoff pitcher make, particularly given what happened in the WS. And let's not forget that last night's opponent was the A's, who are at or near the bottom of the majors in every major offensive statistic.

I'm rooting for Holland and he may be very good someday. But right now, he's not playoff caliber. In 15.2 innings against the Yankees this year, he's given up 15 ERs. He also gave up 5 ERs to Tampa. He's had 2 good games against teams that have a shot at the playoffs, and those teams are Cleveland and LAA.

i'm gonna be the one to say it! i think yesterdays game had more to do with who was behind the plate than who was on the mound. I think Holland showed way more success with Napoli calling plays than YTs perpetual FB calling. i know theres no statistical measure to back this up and catcher ERA is a very rough stat. but watching his last start compared to this you have to start looking at the variables. one of them, ove very large variable is the fact that napoli was calling the game and not YT.

I think this further shows we need to target a legitamate catcher for now and the future at the deadline and a pitcher to basically take Webb's spot. just a 5th type. Guthrie's out there, Chen... doesnt have to be anyone spectatuclar. just someone to fill in incase a. this was a fluke, and b. someone gets hurt. Hunter could be that guy, i dunno. Right now I think the BP is slowly fixing itself internally. I cant remember the last time we really had any major complaints about the BP. and i'd like to see how Harry and Holland look with a really good game calling catcher behind the plate.

cuz i'm sorry.... last start Holland went .2 innings.... this start CG. maybe we have some stud pitchers and dont even realize it... they just need some more in game leadership and guidance.

just one man's humble opinion.

DONT KNOW HOW TO START A THREAD..DOES ANYONE KNOW IF OGANDO IS STILL CONSIDERED A ROOKIE SINCE HE PITCHED LESS THAN 130 INNINGS LAST YEAR? OR...DO THE NUMBER OF APPEARANCES IN A YEAR DETERMINE ROOKIE STATUS ALSO?

Disregard previous post.. it's <50 innings,130 at bats, 45 days on 25 man roster

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What we need to see from Derek is CONSISTENCY.

CONSISTENCY PEOPLE.

STOP GETTING HAPPY BECAUSE HE GIVES US A GOOD START!

HE NEEDS TO GIVE US 5 IN A DAMN ROW!

The problem with Derek is that he is on the mountain after that start and then he is so high on himself that he screws up the next one, he loses focus, he loses his competitive edge just like he does when he gets two outs.

He needs to learn how to bring his WHOLE DAMN EFFORT EVERY DAMN GAME HE PITCHES so stop singing his praises until he puts a string together. Everyone knows he's a great guy with great talent. We have all seen what he can do, but we need to see him do it CONSISTENTLY.

It is not about believing in himself or in his ability.

It is not about just going out and doing your best.

It is not about not worrying about getting sent down, whatever, like anyone believes that shit when the guys say it.

It is not about comparing yourself to Colby Lewis and Brandon Webb like you are like them when you have a bad outing. You haven't done anything like they have done yet.

It is not about any of that shit.

It is not about having ace stuff or trusting your stuff our your team believing in you.

It is not about Wash believing in you! It isn't about any of this shit.

It isn't about your teammates supporting you. It isn't about "putting it all together."

Of course all of this stuff is important but none of it means anything without the fundamental and essential building block for a starting pitcher.

It is about keeping your head down and your nose to the grindstone. It is about working your ass off and getting it done. It is about giving your all and not being satisfied or happy with one damn start. It is about bringing everything you have every time out.

IT IS ABOUT BRINGING THAT BACK AGAINST THE WALL EMOTION EVERY DAMN TIME YOU RUN OUT THERE!!!!! IT IS ABOUT FOCUS!!!! IT IS ABOUT YOUR EFFORT AND YOUR WORK AND IT HAS TO COME FROM WITHIN YOU!!!!! FROM WITHIN YOUR DEPTHS!!!!!!!!!!

And you have most certainly not accomplished this yet so get to work on figuring out how to get out there on an even keel and how to bring that shit you bring when everyone is talking about sending you packing. Its not your ace stuff or your great teammates or your bullshit talking points that are going to get it done. Its got to come from deep down, its got to be real, and its got to be yours, something that you do, not something that you feel you already are or something that others believe you to be.

Hmmm. Call me stupid... but a year ago we were begging for this from Derek. I'll just ask... a #3 who has thrown a 3 hitter, and a 5 hitter, shut-out nonetheless. You're right. Can him. What the heck do you want? The Phillies' rotation? Ain't gonna happen. Either get on the wagon or jump off. Many would rather no ride with an idiot. JUMP!

Hmmm. Call me stupid... but a year ago we were begging for this from Derek. I'll just ask... a #3 who has thrown a 3 hitter, and a 5 hitter, shut-out nonetheless. You're right. Can him. What the heck do you want? The Phillies' rotation? Ain't gonna happen. Either get on the wagon or jump off. Many would rather no ride with an idiot. JUMP!