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With Derek Jeter undeservingly making the All Star team this year, along with his impending 3,000th hit, there has been a lot of Jeter talk lately. So I thought this group might have some thoughts on my question and comments below.
I've seen a lot of ripping of Derek Jeter as being overrated based on sabremetric stats, etc. While I agree that he is over-hyped and gets a lot of media love because he's the Yankees shortstop, when I think of him, I think of how clutch he seems to be in the postseason. Are there sabremetric statistics on players' postseason performance that are worth looking at? I'm sure any data will suffer because of smaller sample sizes, but Jeter's sample size should be pretty large since the Yanks are always in the postseason. My guess is that his postseason sabremetric numbers would be pretty darn good compared to others' postseason numbers regardless of what type of stats you look at. With that said, I think a huge reason why I actually think Jeter is in fact a stud (or at least was before the last 2 years) is because when he is up in the playoffs he seems like he is relatively money in the bank to get on base, etc. not to mention the clutch defensive plays he has made as well.
Also, 3,000 hits is a magical number for a reason. It's hard to say that this guy has not been great when he's about to become the only Yankee ever to have 3,000 hits and the only shortstop in Major League history to ever get 3,000 hits.
The guy has been great and I think a lot of his critics are just Yankees haters. I don't like the Yankees either, but I have always admired Jeter for his consistency and his ability to be clutch in the playoffs. I think we should give credit where credit is due. Is he a top 10 player of all time? Of course not! Is he one of the 3 to 5 best shortstops of all time? I say yes, easily.
I agree. I hate the Yankees right now (I'm just so tired of them), but it's really hard not to respect Jeter, even if this season is a real downer (for him, anyway...there's no way he should have been elected to the all-star team based on his stats this year). He's a great player, always hustling (reminds me a little of Pete Rose). Not sure about the top 5 shortstops (I'd have to give it some thought), but he's definitely among the best.
Saber or Eye View... whatelse could one want more from a Short Stop, as Derek Jeter?
The thing is, he's not "clutch" in the playoffs.
"Clutch" doesn't even exist...and Jeter is a perfect example why. In the playoffs, he's certainly had big hits...game winning hits, game saving defensive plays... We all remember those over the years...the Mr November Home Run and the flip play on Giambi in '01. He's also made game ending outs, errors and everything in between...those things, we remember less.
But he has a GIGANTIC postseason sample size...599 ABs/679 PAs...that's pretty much exactly a full regular season. And his numbers are right on par with an average season for him:
309/377/47220 HRs17 steals101 Runs57 RBI (actually a little low)117 K's63 walks30 doubles13 GIDP
Derek Jeter isn't "clutch"...he's Derek Jeter. And when you take away small sample sizes, Derek Jeter hits just like Derek Jeter in the postseason.
Let me tell you "CLUTCH" does exist. It's the "Sixth Tool", that oh so few have.It's the ability to stay focused and entuned, more so, than the AverageReplacement or Regular Starter. It's locked in and In the Zone... Steely Eyed.It's the other Mental Connection to the Body, that coordinates in sync to all.It's not a turn on & off aspect of ones play. It's an automatic click- lights on.
I'd be curious to see other players' postseason stats and see if they are on par with their regular season stats. I know you can't quantfy it, which drives sabremetric folks crazy, but I think there is something to being clutch. Maybe it's just being able to be yourself in the big moment like Jeter has done, where others have performed well under their normal numbers in the postseason (A-Rod?). And glad you pointed out those great plays, because making those in big situations is exactly what I'm talking about. And of course he's also made game ending outs, etc., it's baseball.
You know, I think, after seeing Pull T's numbers over & over again,it convinces me even more, that Jeter is a "clutch" player. The Playoffs are so much more intense, than regular season play.For Jeter to bring those numbers, over that amount of play- wow!Maybe I should just use "Jeter", in response, instead of "clutch.
Nothing "sabermetric" really in the stats I listed. Just old fashioned stats that show over a 600 playoff ABs, Jeter performs right on par with how he does in 600 regular season ABs.
As far as ARod goes...his postseason numbers are a hell of a lot better than you likely realize. Better than Jeter's are, that's for sure. As a snapshot in 2005 or 2006, his career postseason numbers weren;t that great, but as his sample size has crept up (about 35-40% of a full season now), his numbers are starting to approach his typical numbers. He's no longer "well under his career norms"...
You do illustrate my point perfectly though...you see his game winning plays as proof of being clutch, yet chalk up the failures in key spots to "that's baseball". "Clutch" can't be quantified because it exists only in the eye of the beholder.
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