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If there's a TORP available for trade in July, someone of the ability of say Greinke, of course a player who is controllable for a couple of years at least - would you agree to give up Holland as part of the deal?
What's with all of the hate directed toward Feldman? It's like everybody forgot about how he carried the rotation in 2009. Sure, his 17 wins may have been helped by high run support, but he was able to get quality starts and never really seemed to have a continual problem with a "big" inning where he would give up a ton of runs. Holland has one just about every game.
To supplement further defense for Feldman, I compared both of their 2009-2010 stats in the following categories: K's / 9 innings, WHIP, ERA, HR / 9 innings, and FIP ERA.
Feldman: K/9: 5.13 - WHIP: 1.42 - ERA: 4.69 - HR/9: 0.98 - FIP: 4.47Holland: K/9: 7.43 - WHIP: 1.47 - ERA: 5.54 - HR/9: 1.48 - FIP: 4.77
As you can see, Holland only outshines Feldman in K's/9 innings. After all nobody likes watching a guy who pitches to contact like Feldman does. But Feldman was developing his cutter into a really difficult pitch to drive, and he induced a lot of weak ground balls and broken bats. Now I know Feldman dropped quite a bit after the '09 season, but at least he has shown that he is capable of going 75% of the season and having quality starts to save the bullpen. And I think he can do it again.
That being said, I have no doubt in my mind that Holland will end up being a MUCH better starter than Feldman will ever dream of being. But right now, a healthy Feldman would be a better choice for the #4 spot. I don't know why, but I've liked Scott ever since he showed up in the bullpen, so I am a little biased. I still want to see him succeed and I think he can.
Lots of folks like Zach Grienke ... I just think he's a Brandon McCarthy without the basketball skill.
(white guys who are only 6'-2" and 190# didn't have a legit place on a basketball court in high school let alone when they are 27yo)
@ David G. Have you done a comparison of Feldman's stats during 09-10 to Holland's stats so far this year. I would be interested to see that. Don't know where to find FIP information tho or how to calculate it.
I don't know that Feldman, Hunter or Webb should get much of a shot at this point barring injury, which is a distinct possibility. If the status quo continues I don't believe any of the three on DL would be a significant upgrade this year over what we roll out every night already. CJ and Colby have established themselves as respectable 1 and 2's, Ogando continues to beat expectations and until he slips up multiple games in a row there’s no point replacing him and while Holland and Harrison are inconsistent they both have higher ceilings than Hunter and Feldman. Webb is simply not ready and may not be ready until after the All-Star break.
I realize that Feldman has shown more at the big league level than any of the Ogando, Holland, Harrison grouping but he is almost a year and a half removed from his 2009 season and he was also at a different point in his development than both Holland and Harrison. Feldman is three years older than Holland and two years older than Harrison. Comparing Feldman’s 2009 with Holland’s 2010 isn’t a fair comparison due to age differences. Feldman was 26 in ’09 and Holland was still 23 last year. If you’re going to compare the two I would suggest looking at Feldman’s ’08 season when he was 25 with Holland’s 2011 stats. In 2008 Feldman threw 151 IP, 5.29 ERA, 5.35 FIP, 5.36 K/9, 3.33 BB/9, and a WAR of .9. Holland is currently on pace to better every one of those stats and he will do it while still only 24.
Sending him back down won’t help his development because there is no challenge for him at AAA and sticking him in the bullpen won’t allow him to get enough innings to continue his development at the major league level. Pitchers need time at every level to develop but especially at the big league level. If the big club isn’t willing to let our prospects develop then they need to loosen the purse strings and do what the Yankees have been doing for the last two decades (I really hope they don’t become the Yankees).
Fangraphs has FIP data and lots of other stats on their player pages.
Give up Holland? It would have to be a top tier, as J.Johnson, before I'd even *consider it. Maybe I'm one of the few that still views Holland, as more than potential. Dutch could make it this year or one season away. It's going to click, with all the time, effort and talent. I don't think Holland has topped out, as I view Danks (Solid 4) basically has. The Org learned much from theD-V-D period. Look at the real young arms, post D-V-D, progressing much better. My next biggest thought... will the Club bring in these top prospects into the bull pen w/ early trials, to feel a Champions heart?That's BIG teaching. A mindset, not unlike Nolan or Maddux, to test kids.
Nate, yeah when I originally calculated those stats I just pulled the numbers from their seasonal logs and put them into excel. I calculated Holland's 2011 stats so far and he has improved in every category.
The FIP formula is ((BB*3+HR*13)/SO*2))+3.20
A Couple of quick notes:
I just caught a computational error on my part that involved Zack Greinke. I had his stats for age 23,24 and 25 off by one year which slightly altered the results. If any wants me to, I can post the adjusted stats later on and I apologize for the mistake. The conclusions drawn from the results however do not change.
I also went a little further and added age 26 to the data set and found that virtually every pitcher in the sample had their career year at either age 25 or 26. Of the group only Burnett and Lee had career years outside age 25 and 26. Which is why I believe it is critical that the Rangers allow Holland to work through whatever issues he has this year because the next two years could be very special.
Sorry, but I messed up the formula for FIP. I was in a rush.. Corrected, it is
FIP = ((BB*3+HR*13)-SO*2)/IP+3.20
DONE HERE~This thread is NOT even relevant now...The Whole Starting Staff looks like they can Chew Nails.Colby's last appearance 5/27, was a total aberration.An 8th Inning setup/closer type would help, but at a cost.
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