Alright gang lets settle this once and for all. Who would you rather have as the hitting coach, and who do you think would benefit the rangers the most as hitting coach, Thad or Hurdle.

The only reason i bring this up is i'm so sick of ppl (like Rangers100 <-- not trying to call you out man) that are using "statistics" on such a small sample size to say that the Rangers are actually a better offensive team this year than last year. I say that's hog wash. 1st its a very small sample size (30 games?) On top of the fact that those numbers are highly inflated due to the 9-1 start. i'd like to see our ranking in every offensive category since the yankees series.

Look I hear Thad is good, and I hear wonderw with what he did with Giambi and Tejada, however right now i'm just not seeing the rangers make ANY offensive adjustments. Plus I feel his approach to the plate is a complete 180 that Wash and Hurdle aimed for. Plate discipline, working the pitch count... making key hits with RISP. Right now i'm not seeing it.

and Right now i'd take Hurdle in a heart beat. however i will admit ive been biased from the beginning. Since day one i've been saying the rangers biggest loss was not losing Cliff Lee, but losing Clint Hurdle as a hitting coach.

The team just seemed to click better under him. I dunno. But i've seen accusations for both go back and forth in postings, so I felt this was a good time and place to settle this once and for all.

I was just thinking about this myself. I feel bad complaining about the rangers' hitting when they are near the top of the league in almost every offensive category, however this seems like one of those scenarios where stats don't tell the whole story.

I think our stats are so good because about once a week, we have these random outbursts where we score 11 or 13 runs. In between those outbursts though, our record is littered with games where we struggled to score against very mediocre pitchers. Brad Penny, Matt Palmer, Brandon McCarthy, now Eric Bedard are all examples of bad to mediocre pitchers that have stymied our lineup. This lineup, even without Hamilton should be dropping 5-6 runs a night on those type of pitchers.

Numbers across the board are better for 2011 than 2010

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TEX/2011-batting.shtml#players_ratio_batting::none
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TEX/2011-batting.shtml#players_ratio_batting::none

But the one that counters what you are saying is Pitches/PA ...

2010: 3.72

2011: 3.86

Bosley has more experience working with younger hitters while Hurdle more experience with veterans. I thought he should have gotten the job last year over Hurdle ... but we'll see how it all works out.

The offense seemed to have more discipline under hurdle. This year ive noticed an increase in guys swinging at pitches they have absolutely no business swinging at. I'm seeing less patience at the plate an increase in swings at the first pitch and a failure to work the pitcher. These are all part of a philosopphy that hurdle instilled and right off the bat thad changed. He wants pitchers swinging at the first pitch, albeit he states if its a pitch they can drive, but what you have to realize is he's given the hitters a green light. What batter doesnt think they can drive any pitch at or near the strike zone. I really feel like this team has taken a step backwards offensively. regardles what the numbers show. bottom line is Wins. And right now whether you want to blame the bullpen or not, if we could just drive in a few more runners and quit having to rely on our shambles ofa bullpen to protect a one run lead, we might pick up a few more wins. right now its an almost guarantee whoever we put out there to close is going to give up 1-2 runs. I wanna see our batters giving them a 3 run cushion. sure we're still allowing the bullpen to allow runs, however in the end, we have a higher chance of coming out with the win. And thats all that truly matters in the end.

I think we are completely overvaluing the impact of a hitting coach. This is a team that is not healthy right now, some guys are pressing to pick up the slack and most are in a slump. Shit happens. We are still ahead of last years runs scored pace, right? I think Thad's approach is fine and probably not all that different from any other hitting coach in the league: See ball, hit ball.

If he hadn't made the spring training comments about being aggressive, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Would we? Maybe we would. Leaving too many guys on base sucks, but they are getting on base...so I think it's more an issue with slumps and what not. But I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn, so I'm just as stupid on this as the next jabrone...

Under Hurdle, the Rangers came within 3 runs of having the worst offense in the BIA era.

So, another ... "it's the coaches fault" ?

Maybe Bosley ought to gift his hitters 2.7 sec to adjust at the plate
instead of the average 1.7 sec, it takes a pitch to cross the plate.

One basically has to start his swing, before the pitch is released.
C'mon Bos we need more time.

Last night Face needed the mound moved back to 80' to give him enough time.