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I've been thinking and I think the MY debacle went something like this.

MY accepts his new role after Beltre is signed.

Nolan then enforces the plan which is to assure MY that he will be in that role while shutting down trade talks concerning him. I believe it was Nolan who came out and said that MY would not be traded.

JD doesn't like this idea and does not want to be restricted in his pursuits to improve the team which is understandable. From what I remember it was never JD who said MY would not be traded. All he said is "the plan is" and we know what that means coming from him.

Chucky gets involved and assures JD that he has ownership's backing to override Nolan's prohibition on MY trade talks.

JD, while receiving mixed messages from his bosses decides to do what he thinks is best, which is to continue to try to trade MY and sign Vlad to play DH to make the team better.

If this is what happened I don't think it will come out because it will seem like JD sided against Nolan, but in a situation like that I doubt that Nolan would hold it against him.

The result is that people like me thought that the mixed messages were coming from a rift in Nolan and JD's relationship when in fact they were coming from a rift in the relationship of JD's bosses which in turn was causing mixed messages to be sent to JD leading to JD trying to trade MY against Nolan's wishes. The result is that MY, having been assured he would not be traded by Nolan, feels betrayed once it comes out that JD was trying to trade him. And of course no one knows, and may never, that the real reason for the mixed messages was Chucky's meddling in the business of the baseball operations side. I also could understand JD's desire to please Chucky and try to trade MY because Chucky was the one holding JD's contract up.

If something like this is the case I owe JD an apology, but it also seems that many of you also owe MY an apology. It seems both MY and JD were caught in the middle of an upper management conflict that ultimately needed to be settled by the owners.

And now it has. I'm happy about the outcome and happy that I don't have to be suspicious of JD anymore. Congratulations to all involved in the murder of Caesar. Its a little disturbing but its what is best for our future dynasty. Now if we could just lock up JD's guys we could be in for an awesome ride over the next 5-10 years.

March 12, 2011 at 9:55 AM | Unregistered CommenterJoe

One thing that I forgot to say is that I think people really should have seen this coming, we really should have known that something like this was going on.

The MY debacle was a clear and total failure of management and now we know why.

I hope everyone, especially MY, can realize this and move on. Everyone in the Rangers FO must be breathing a sigh of relief. And now Nolan is the feared and undisputed leader. Not bad at all and I really like our low key money men. Our front office is awesome. Bob Simpson and Ray Davis did the right thing.

March 12, 2011 at 10:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterJoe

Give it another week and Greenberg will become one of the men behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll.

March 12, 2011 at 4:10 PM | Unregistered CommenterPull T

Michael Young's trade would have been (and still would be) a great thing. Daniels has done a phenomenal job, but Young's contract extension was one of his biggest mistakes.

Greenberg's departure has nothing to do with Young's latest tantrum. Davis and Simpson are in this for a short-term investment. They will be selling the team within a few years, at most. They are conservative investors who found an asset in bankruptcy and nearly got it for a complete steal, with some persistent creditors preventing the deal from being as sweet as it nearly was. Now they just want to manage the asset profitably for a couple years and flip it in a better economy with more potential buyers.

Ryan didn't like Greenberg and is intimidated by too many sharper minds around him in the front office, so the mess Greenberg kept making in the press (e.g. twice pissing off the Yankees) and Greenberg showing Ryan up after Ryan made a PR mess of the Lee negotiations made for an easy case from Ryan to Simpson/Davis to get them to move Greenberg out.

Simpson/Davis have brought in a COO (Rick George) to handle the responsibilities most MLB presidents handle since Ryan doesn't have this experience. Simpson/Davis will start putting out feelers for buyers after this year, and if they aren't getting valuations much higher than the ~$600M the club went for in 2010, I think they'll move Ryan out as well and work more actively to sell the club in 2012.

March 12, 2011 at 4:47 PM | Unregistered CommenterRangers100

The Sports Page ... Playtime for Big Boys

This is playtime for Simpson/Davis. This is what Big Boys do
once they hit the Billion $ Mark. Don't kid yourself R100. Ryan is
an astute businessman. Common sense goes a long way with
a sidewalk diploma. Hand shakes and a law firm on retainer, are
more than adequate. Surround oneself with good people is best.
Davis/Simpson didn't pull their formula of business out of a Cracker
Jack box. The Club value has increased by 20%+ minimum. Any smart
advisor or businessman, would jump at a cash in... now, if for $$.
Apparently Greenberg, after receiving options to change horses
and continue in a change of roll... has decided to cash in a big payday.
His game changed and his toy did too. He'll move on to a new sand box.
Simpson/Davis are enjoying their new toy. The sports page, with big cigar
and a smoking jacket, is a great way to start a morning. Wall Street Journal
comes second. Things are good in never-neverland~ Rangers are solid...
for a change. Embrace the change of Championship. Davis/Simpson has.

March 14, 2011 at 8:18 AM | Unregistered CommenterHubZ

Don't confuse a folksy accent and the ability to throw a baseball hard with common sense.

March 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM | Unregistered CommenterScooby Dude

Scooby,

If you are implying that Nolan has a deficit of common sense I'm not sure that makes too too much sense.

After all, it is Nolan who looks like the very shrewd business man in all of this while Chucky looks like a guy who just frittered away the massive credibility he had amassed in a very short time.

March 14, 2011 at 10:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterJoe

I'm saying that Nolan gets a lot more credit than he deserves for his personal qualities on the basis of his accent and his performance on the mound. That's all.

March 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM | Unregistered CommenterScooby Dude

Davis and Simpson will not be able to flip the Rangers for a payday in 2012 or 2013. Macroeocnomic policy is squeezing the number of potential buyers, and the Ballclub has not proven to sustain profitability, especially with labor costs that exceed $100 million.

March 14, 2011 at 10:26 AM | Unregistered Commentertexaslifter

Scooby,

You might be right but maybe he is actually a stellar guy, hard for guys like you and me to know.

March 14, 2011 at 10:41 AM | Unregistered CommenterJoe

Of course. But the level of trust he evokes in the fan base seems rather irrational to me. By trust I mean trust in his non-pitching-related abilities and acumen, rather than trust as in honor or character.

March 14, 2011 at 12:52 PM | Unregistered CommenterScooby Dude

"You might be right but maybe he is actually a stellar guy, hard for guys like you and me to know"

Yet you know FAR less about Greenberg, and are totally comfortable saying he has no credibility...

March 14, 2011 at 8:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterPull T

Anyone who can get their ass fired after being ordained pope of Rangerville some months before obviously has a problem. I think its clear to most he was overstepping bounds left and right and acting a fool.

March 14, 2011 at 9:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterJoe

Sorry, Nolan is not Larry the Cable Guy, nor is he Rickey Henderson,
whom is never confused as Einstein, even with his accomplishments.
Ryan may be the Sam Walton of Baseball. He's shrewd & marketable.

Billionaires don't fork over $80mm a piece, hoping that Jethro Bodine
can build them a better hay stack in Rangerland. He's very rounded.
Certainly grounded in Baseball Business and an affable demeanor to
handle a Feliz, C. Davis to Wash, Daniels- even Mr. Davis & Simpson.

He's playing an excellent game of 'Rope-a-Dope'?

March 16, 2011 at 8:08 AM | Unregistered CommenterHubZ

Nolan has successfully owned teams at the minor league level. He's also well respected with MLB and in the clubhouse. That is where he gets his credit, and it is well deserved.

March 16, 2011 at 10:27 AM | Unregistered Commentermastapp

I am surprised there haven't been more questioned from the media as to whether Greenberg was involved in the Michael Young debacle. I realize there would likely be no straight answers but its still the media's job to ask about this stuff.

March 17, 2011 at 4:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterJoe

Why do we need the media to get answers when we can just read your novellas about the situation and get all the answers?

March 17, 2011 at 4:29 PM | Unregistered CommenterPull T

Good point Pull T, I recant my last post. Just read my all seeing novels and you will know everything you need to know.

March 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterJoe

Surely we can't expect either TRS or EG to be investigative ... while JJT always sees the conspiracy ... and the Ball of Hate just wanders with the wind.

March 17, 2011 at 11:13 PM | Unregistered CommenterWindingmywatch

Someone needs to investigate something some time, why not now?

March 18, 2011 at 5:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterJoe