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Forum > Chuck Greenberg could resign today!!!!!!!!

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/03/11/2913321/rangers-ceo-chuck-greenberg-could.html
This is going to be a juicy subject, but I don't really think it is the end of the Rangers world

March 11, 2011 at 12:33 AM | Unregistered CommenterSteve

Nolan Ryan might not be very bright, but he is cutthroat.

Ryan didn't like that Greenberg tried to repair the Lee situation after Ryan made a mess of it in the press. He was also very intimidated by having much sharper, much better educated people in the front office with Daniels, Levine, and Greenberg.

Ryan knew Greenberg would have eventually worked to get him removed (rightfully so as he's so completely unqualified to be a club president), so Ryan struck first.

March 11, 2011 at 10:17 AM | Unregistered CommenterRangers100

And you know this because you personally witnessed interaction between the two men? What a grassy knoll theory that one is.

March 11, 2011 at 11:15 AM | Unregistered Commenterafurr

Rangers100

What are the qualifications to be a club president? And which of those do you think Nolan completely doesn't meet?

March 11, 2011 at 12:31 PM | Unregistered Commenteranic

What are the qualifications to be a club president? And which of those do you think Nolan completely doesn't meet?

MLB (and most sports leagues) have greatly moved away from the ex-jock as front office leader. Instead, what we find are JDs and MBAs or similarly accomplished businessmen. People that have demonstrated expertise in high-level negotiations within law, finance, consulting, etc.

Taking the other AL West Presidents for example:

John Carpino (Anaheim) - Prior executive level business experience (ran a 9-figure sales division for Arte Moreno's Outdoor Systems)
Chuck Armstrong (Mariners) - A Stanford J.D.
Michael Crowley (Oakland) - A Duke MBA

Go around the rest of MLB and you'll find Presidents with similar executive backgrounds and top degrees.

Ryan isn't a bad guy, but he hasn't been trained for this role. Contract negotiations with players require intense wrangling and maneuvering, head-to-head against agents that have serious educational and work backgrounds. Ryan can't go head-to-head late in such negotiations (b/c at that point they are down to complex financial and legal maneuvering), so Levine has to be brought in for them.

It's not the end of the world, but I would rather have Levine and Daniels backed by a pro at this stuff. We'd be better off for having it.

March 11, 2011 at 4:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterRangers100

Rangers100,

The rich guys have spoken and they took Ryan's side. I don't think these rich guys would hand over the business to a guy who isn't qualified, they are obviously very sharp guys.

With the Lee situation I believe Nolan and JD had decided not only that Lee wasn't going to sign with Texas but also that they didn't want him for those years and that money. That is why Nolan came out and said "tell us what it will take to get Cliff Lee." He didn't make a mess of anything, and the organization sided with him because Chucky has issues.

March 11, 2011 at 4:11 PM | Unregistered CommenterJoe

Rangers100 - your Ryan bashing is so predictable and tired. Those other, highly educated presidents you list don't have the success rate our local retard, Nolan Ryan has the past 3 years (his 3 years as pres).

March 11, 2011 at 4:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterAdam

Why do you assume that a JD or MBA automatically makes you a good business man? Especially the JD, which does nothing to prepare you for the world of business.

Frankly, MBAs are much better suited for technical business operations, the classic case being the hedge fund manager.

An MBA is a useful tool for an already talented business man (largely in part because of the networking really) but it does not MAKE a good business man.

But then again, Nolan has a thick accent and a bad way with words. He must be stoopid.

March 11, 2011 at 5:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterA-Hole

Why do you assume that a JD or MBA automatically makes you a good business man? Especially the JD, which does nothing to prepare you for the world of business.

I don't. What the degrees demonstrate is an intelligent person. These schools don't select people that haven't demonstrated they are pretty sharp.

That doesn't guarantee success though. What does further demonstrate the success of these people is their work histories, and the people I cited have impressive backgrounds.

Ryan threw a baseball fast and has a famous name. Other than that, he's a pretty average guy.

I don't think these rich guys would hand over the business to a guy who isn't qualified, they are obviously very sharp guys.

They've never been involved in this game before. A totally different industry than they've dealt with before. All kinds of very smart businessmen have tried and failed at owning sports teams.

That said, I think Davis and Simpson will eventually force Ryan out as well and do a real search for a sharp baseball executive as we have with Daniels and Levine. Ryan was a PR move by Hicks and a vehicle to a winning bid from Davis/Simpson. He's long overstayed his usefulness.

March 11, 2011 at 11:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterRangers100

Rangers100 - your Ryan bashing is so predictable and tired. Those other, highly educated presidents you list don't have the success rate our local retard, Nolan Ryan has the past 3 years (his 3 years as pres).

Ha. That's pretty funny.

Ryan came along after Daniels, Levine, and Preller had set the whole thing in motion. Basically every major piece of the 2010 puzzle was in place already.

March 12, 2011 at 12:02 AM | Unregistered CommenterRangers100

With the Lee situation I believe Nolan and JD had decided not only that Lee wasn't going to sign with Texas but also that they didn't want him for those years and that money. That is why Nolan came out and said "tell us what it will take to get Cliff Lee." He didn't make a mess of anything, and the organization sided with him because Chucky has issues.

1) We weren't getting Lee no matter what. But for the sake of future negotiations, you don't just tell free agents that the Rangers won't negotiate and that they'll have to just name their price. Just a stupid statement, that Rangers officials were right to attempt to repair, even though we were never getting Lee.

2) Pretty funny that Greenberg, everyone's hero last year, is now just "Chucky" and a guy who "has issues."

March 12, 2011 at 12:06 AM | Unregistered CommenterRangers100

Rangers100 "John Carpino (Anaheim) - Prior executive level business experience (ran a 9-figure sales division for Arte Moreno's Outdoor Systems)
Chuck Armstrong (Mariners) - A Stanford J.D.
Michael Crowley (Oakland) - A Duke MBA"

I don't see "accomplished so much as a business man" by Chuck's or Michael's name. I see, "dude got a degree from a pretty selective place." If the degree was no relevant, and you are touting the work history, why did you ONLY mention the degree and not at all mention the work history? Seems odd to me.

Earning those degrees is really more about hard work and preparation than "smarts." Although a useful, and maybe even necessary characteristic of a business man, it is by no way sufficient. Anyways, Nolan Ryan probably has a few things to say about dedication and work ethic.

What exactly has Nolan Ryan done that makes him not very smart? Do you really think being a supremely successful pitcher is only a matter of "throwing a fast baseball?" Tell that to

March 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterA- Hole