What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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Almost all of us want Thome including me, but consider the following potential benefits of not signing him:
1. Playing Murphy at DH when MY plays the field.
2. Resting Hamilton and Cruz at DH when MY plays the field.
3. Making roster space for a Gentry/Borbon platoon in CF, a 25th man spot that would otherwise be taken by Thome.
4. Taking away significantly less playing time from Moreland at 1st base,
5. Avoiding a potential clubhouse problem if MY is awful at 1st and Wash has to go with Moreland ahead of him while Thome is preferred at DH against RHP.
6. Avoiding a potential situation where MY provides sub par defense at 1st but is preferred because of his clubhouse leadership and veteran status.
7. Keeping Hamilton out of CF with the Gentry/Borbon platoon to protect our most important asset.
8. Adding even better defense in CF against LHP, locking in Moreland's superior 1st base defense over that of MY.
9. Avoiding Thome's dead defensive weight and lack of flexibility.
9. If we are definitely keeping Blanco on the 25 man we lose 25 man roster flexibility be taking Thome over Gentry or other.
10. This would eliminate the ability to go with differing 25th man scenarios throughout the year by sending guys back and forth between Round Rock and Arlington. At different times you could go with the CF platoon, a 13th arm, a right handed bat at 1st base/CO, etc.
11. If we are under certain payroll restrictions we could use the 8 million Thome is demanding to go and get Soriano to shore up the bullpen in the event of a Feliz move or in the event Feliz doesn't move you guarantee the best bullpen ever in Rangers history.
12. I'm pretty sure there are more benefits to not signing Thome that I haven't thought of yet.
Isn't it just the kid in you that would favor a "dream" offensive lineup over all of these benefits?
I'm on the fence on Thome.....What sayest thou BBTIA readers?
Does this move you closer to thinking the Rangers shouldn't sign Thome?
I still want his bat
I want all of those benefits
At the very least I won't be as upset now if we don't get him.
I readily admit that adding Thome to our lineup makes us deadly against RHP. I just don't see the urgency to do so. I feel like we have a good group of young, inexpensive players that we need to see develop. Whether CD or Gentry make the 25 man roster, we need to see what these guys have. I know they have both seen time at the bigs, but this is a crucial time for both players and their development. Adding Thome really hamstrings Wash and the flexibility that he has. 4 of our 5 outfielders (counting Moreland) hit from the left side. Murphy is a good enough hitter that he can handle the DH responsibilities against RHP if MY struggles terribly. I would love to have Thome is our lineup but I view him as a luxury rather than a necessity.
come on fellas-are we at the point where we sign 41 yr olds?
Adding another pitcher to the rotation is more important at this time.
Listen Billy, I don't care if you are 51 if you have an over 1.000 OPS against RHP consistently.
Thome's bat would be huge without question. The question here is whether it outweighs many other benefits.
Who is to say we can't do both, add another pitcher and sign Thome. The question is what move would provide more benefits.
IMO we haven't added another SP because there isn't a good fit availible. We do need a TORP, but the trade market is bare and the only true ace turned us down. With all of the competitive teams in the NL central, one of those teams is bound to trade a pitcher later in the season. Also the Mets might look to move Johan if he proves he can stay healthy. I don't like the idea of signing a guy like Pavano, or even Jeff Francis just to say we did. Save the money and use it to acquire a pitcher mid season.
I'm for all the benefits. We shouldn't sign Thome to be anything more than a part-time DH/bench player. If he wants all the right-handed DH at-bats (which based on his numbers he deserves) just walk away.
I'm not going to agree any situation that includes, "when MY plays the field" is going to be a benefit for the team.
A roster with 5 outfielders just isn't a great idea, IMO. I'd rather see a powerful Moreland-Glaus platoon than a couple of slap-hitting speed merchants. Borbon-Gentry isn't going to scare anybody from making a bullpen move. "Well, crap, I'll need to pull my starter when Borbon is due up", or "Wait, I can't bring in the lefty, because Wash will counter with Gentry" aren't phrases that will ever be uttered in an opposing dugout.
The defensive benefits are greater with the NO Thome scenario with CF being covered by Gentry/Borbon and LF being covered by Hamilton. In addition, the need to play MY in the field would actually lessen. He would play less defense because he wouldn't have to play 1st to make room for Thome at DH. MY would be a spot starter at 3B, 2B, 1B (and possibly SS) to rest the infield and allow Wash to rest Hamilton and Cruz at DH or get Murphy in the lineup. Glaus is interesting but I think we want to give Moreland a chance against lefties if we don't bring in Thome and have MY playing a lot of 1st base.
13. The obvious benefit of increasing our overall speed both in the field, on the bases, and off the bench.
You can't sign Thome and have your 25th man versatility that opens up a possible Gentry/Borbon platoon in CF. Thome is your 25th man unless you don't want to keep Blanco on, and I doubt Wash will dump Blanco, just too much defensive versatility and a plus glove. That is so long as nothing else chances, like a Murphy or Moreland (please no) trade or something.
If Texas didn't have MY, I would be fairly eager to sign Thome, even if it was for $8 million for one year. Sure, Thome should be devastating against RHPs because he always has been. But this team really doesn't need him enough to justify the money and the disruption to the clubhouse (because of the diminished role of MY).
Man, that MY contract is brutal. Three more years of $16 million salaries.
In my mind, there is no doubt that all of the above benefits are grossly outweighed by "1.039 OPS, 1.154 OPS vsRHP, .404 career OBP, having 2010's 2 best hitters vsRHP". Murphy is a really nice complementary guy. He should possibly be traded to make room for Thome and a 25th man (Gentry?) Thome won't get $8m. The market for him is us and the Twins. So if he gets $6m and we deal Murph, it costs $3.5m and we gain a valuable prospect.
I also think the best remaining SP option is Francis. $3m plus incentives is all it would take to sign him. Thome won't preclude that.
The protection he would represent for Beltre, Cruz, and Hamilton would make the Rangers' lineup impossible to pitch to.
I think I agree with your thinking, but maybe Murphy needs to be traded if you bring in Thome. Then you get 25th man flexibility in Gentry, and all of the above benefits as well as Thome. Further, you don't have to absorb as many of the negatives that way. However, losing Murphy would hurt especially in the event one of our big bats goes down with injury.
How would Joe Blanton fit in Texas as a SP? I see Philly is trying to move him.
I think having Thome IS the hedge against losing a big bat. If you lose Josh, Thome becomes the LH bat tyhat keeps the lineup ballanced.
If you deal Murphy, and Hamilton goes down, then you play Moreland every day in RF, Cruz in LF, Thome at DH, and Young at 1B. Call up Davis to be the reserve and take the extra roster spot. Same is true if Cruz goes down. Same is true if Kinsler/Beltre goes down and Young has to step in to that spot for 30 games (Young to 2B/3B, Moreland every day at 1B, Thome @ DH, Davis replaces the extra bat as a PH guy). I would also like to see Young worked out at COF. I think there's a better-than-zero chance that Moreland is a better 1B defender than Young, and Young is a better COF defender than Moreland.
I also don't see a lot of injury-related benefit to giving Hamilton/Cruz 10-15 games each @ DH. The benefit there would be to give them 50 games each and use a truly rotating DH. But if you don't sign Thome, and you plan to play Moreland more-or-less every day at 1B and Young more-or-less every day @ DH you can't get Hamilton/Nellie 100 total games at DH. Put another way, signing Beltre has closed off that benefit, which the FO didn't seem interested in anyway, since not signing Beltre would have likely meant bringing Vlad back anyway. (So glad that didn't happen, by the way). I also suspect that, Gentry or no, Hamilton will play very little CF. It's just a question of playing Borbon every day or else having a platoon benefit with Borbon/Gentry.
Listen Joe, Thome adds NOTHING in terms of versatility to this club. He hits--that's it. No longer a 1B-can't pinch run. BTW-he is 41 yrs old. Get over your man crush. Murphy, Young, Borbon etc-now that is versatility. Not sure we need a 1-dimensional player at this point. THINK!!
Try to be more convincing by not being so frikin dogmatic! I think its a tough call to make, and that there will thus be disagreement. Think man, THINK!
To me, the advantage of having versatile guys with decent bats (Hamilton, a LF who can play CF and not kill you, Moreland, a 1B with solid RF versatility, and Young, who, while below average in the field at 2B and 3B, can get you by for a couple of weeks and provide a plus bat for those positions) is that you CAN afford to have one of baseball's best bats in your lineup even if he's 40 and I could outrun him and he hasn't played a game in the field since the George W Bush administration (which he hasn't).
Every other available move represents tinkering around the edges. Thome represents a core upgrade to the heart of the batting order. And you guys are missing the fact that 4 of the Ranger's 5 most established bats (Ham, Cruz, Kinsler, Beltre, Young) are RH. The lineup is not really well ballanced right now. Throw in Elvis and the Catching pair (all RH) and there's a lack of LH bats, especially in the current 1-6 spots, which would likely shake out Elvis-Young-Hamilton (L)-Beltre-Cruz-Kinsler without adding Thome.
The only no-to-Thome argument that would convince me is this: "Salary-wise, it's Thome or Sorian, not both, and IF we don't sign Soriano, Feliz will NOT be given a chance to start, but IF we DO sign Soriano, we will give Feliz 3 months to establish himself in the rotation".
However, I think Feliz will be auditioned for the rotation whether Soriano is signed or not, and that he would not be assured a spot in the rotation even if Soriano was brought in, and also that both Soriano and Thome could be brought in under the Rangers' current budgetary structure if JD considered both to be valuable pieces.
WOW-sorry I disagreed with you Joe. I keep forgetting this is your site and we are all just visiting. But I and others are continually amazed at how little you know about the nuances of baseball. Again-CALM DOWN-It's just that others have opinions that are not in lock step with your sophomoric ramblings.
Im almost bored of the Thome talk.
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