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I know he has a weak OF arm and needs to work on his hitting, but he has perfected the bunt up 1B line, had some great at bats in June when the Rangers were playing well, and he played well in the Yankees series in September. In one game in particular I believe he stole a HR by leaping at the wall, bunted, stole a base, and had a single. Now I know that was one game in September, but is not that Borbon's potential. It seems like we keep trying to stymie it or ship him out of town, possibly, too soon. That being said, I would a love a trade for Byrd or Beltran, and wish we could have signed Werth (but not for the crazy money the Nats gave him)
For what its worth, Borbon is one of my favorite players. I have no saber insight as to whether he can be above-average or not, but i am really excited to see him get regular playing time in CF. In my biased fandom i'm projecting a line of 280/350/380 with excellent defense and 35 stolen bases.
His great asset is his speed. Speed is useless if you don't reach base. I would rather Murphy get most the starts in the OF. I know he isn't flashy in any one area but he gets the job done. I think with more PT his numbers will continue to improve.
Id love to trade for Byrd as well but i dont hate Borbon i guess ppl wanted to see a whole season of what they saw of 09 Borbon and i think thats how ppl feel about Chris Davis and his 08 season and they think that there under achiveing or busts bc they cant keep up that amazing production they had when they burst onto the scene
Borbon was a bit of a disappointment last year, but he still has potential and his defense and speed still have a lot of value. I actually posted about this at LSB last night, saying that Borbon's UZR ranked higher than Franklin Gutierrez' last year, and that Borbon had a higher WAR value than Matt Kemp.
Borbon hit about as poorly as he could have last year, just a .290 wOBA, and yet he still got to 1.3 WAR. His fielding was the reason. If he hits even a little better, he's a 2 or 3 WAR player at a cheap price.
I like Borbon too I just wish he would actually play to his strengths more, i.e. hit the ball on the ground and run and bunt more often. I agree that he's very good at bunting the ball up the 1st base line, which is what frustrates me about him. He should do it more. Too often he pops up or flies out. If he would just quit trying to be a power hitter and just slap the ball and run, and bunt and run he'd be a lot more helpful. I think his defense is fine and helps keep Josh from the rigors of playing centerfield every game so I'm all for him being in there, he just needs to do what he does best more often and he can really be helpful to this team.
I like Borbon. I think part of the reason that people are down on him is that he's developing a bit slowly and the higher-ceiling Engel Beltre is coming along pretty soon, so he's not seen as a big piece of the long term future by many.
But his D is underrated. His range and glove are outstanding, but it's his weak throwing arm that gets all the attention.
I think his sterling '09 debut was always unsustainable, because he showed very little split differential in the Bigs, after showing a significant split differential at every minor league level. However, I thin that if he comes to recognize that he can swing a bit more aggressively against righties, but needs to be a bunter/chop swinger against lefties, he has the ability to be something very valuable. I hope we see it this year. I'm very comfortable with Borbon playing a whole lot of games this year.
I also think that using RH hitting, light hitting, big speed, big D Craig Gentry as a platoon pairing for Borbon is an entirely viable option for getting nice productivity out of the CF position and keeping Josh out of CF.
Why isnt Gentry the 25th man? id rather have him then Thome CD an 8th bullpen arm or a RHH 1B/COF
I hadn't thought about the combo of Gentry and Borbon as an option, but that makes sense. Against RHP we go with Hamilton in Left, Borbon in Center and Cruz in Right. While against LHP we go with Gentry in Center. Murphy gets all the Corner Outfield reps when we rest Cruz/Hambone. Only the corner outfielders get time at DH as well.
I actually wouldn't mind signing Thome, trading Murphy, using Gentry as the 25th man, and using a lineup of Young at 1B, Thome at DH, Moreland in RF, and either Cruz or Hamilton in LF as the "rest for Hamilton/Cruz" lineup.
Get a prospect for Murph. Use that prospect (with a couple of other prospects) to deal for an ace at the deadline. Or just to bolster the farm so as to cushion the blow of dealing multiple prospects for an ace at the deadline.
I don't say this because I dislike Murphy. I think he's earned an everyday role. But there's just not a lot of PT for him right now.
So I generally don't put a whole lot of stock (if any) into projections; however, I thought I'd post some of them that are already out for Borbon. PECOTA isn't out for 2011 yet, but Bill James, ZiPs, and Fangraph's fan polling are available. Here are the slash lines (BA/OBP/SLG):
Bill James - .297/.338/.375ZiPS - .289/.329/.368Fangraphs - .287/.336/.380
If he's at or above the Bill James/FG projections, I'll certainly be pleased. I'd even be OK with him only hitting the ZiPS projection. I just think there's a chance he doesn't even hit that mark. Overall, if he's hitting 9th and can post a wOBA of .320 or better, I'll be more than happy with his season.
I guess we just don't see the same things. I think Murph is head and shoulders above Borbon or Gentry at the plate. He's shown that when he got to be an everyday player for awhile last year. His D is not standout but is ok. As for as I'm concerned, he is a solid everyday OF. I would hate to see him traded. I think he is a steal at under 3 million. Murph, I hope your not looking.
Martina, I didn't recognize your post without the curse words. You go girl! But to answer your question--Gentry sucks.
There's no question that Murphy is the (far) better offensive player than Borbon. However, unless your plan is 140+ games of Hamilton in CF, he's going to get squeezed out of the ABs he really deserves. And the Rangers, for better or worse, seem intent on keeping Josh out of CF, not only to protect his health, but also because he's only okay there defensively, while Borbon and Gentry are both excellent defensively in CF.
Also, Murphy at $2.4m is a steal. But that's a 1-season arbitratin deal. Expect Murphy to bump up to $4.5-5 mil next year and soon enough he will hit FA and command more money than the Rangers can afford to pay for a guy burried on the bench.
Borbon had a tough April and May, but then became one of the hottest hitters in the League the rest of the way. He has the speed for CF and even others at that position with stronger arms rarely throw out baserunners or keep players from taking an extra base.
My favorites on the entire team right now: Cruz, Hamilton, Kinsler, Feliz and Borbon
MY playing first is a BIG mistake.... I hope he NEVER gets on the playing field..He will always be our weak link...
I would say play hamilton in center and dh him about every 4th day. No one here is better than Hammy in center
Borbon showed some signs of beginning to hit late last year with some grounder hits tween 1st and 2nd. Hopefully it is a start but he's got a long way to go.
I don't know if people hate Borbon. They just hate him taking ABs from Murphy who is so much better than him. Hamilton needs to stop being such a baby and just play center.
I don't hate Borbon. I think he still has upside and is a better defensive CF than Murphy by a mile (and better than Hamilton and Cruz for that matter). So I could see Wash hitting Borbon 9th and putting him in CF regularly while he develops. Having him bust his butt to get everything in the gaps would save a lot of wear and tear on Hamilton in LF and Cruz in RF. So while Murphy is better at the plate by quite a bit, I think Borbon has a shot to play more, especially since Wash doesn't seem to care much about slash lines when there is a player available who is a better defensive player.
Borbon is a terrific CF'er, arm or no arm...which actually has improved a lot, by the way. He almost didn't play at all in the postseason, however, and I believe Murphy is going to get a lot of AB's this yr that used to go to Borbon. A healthy Hamilton will get more starts in CF than we'd probably like to see.
Julio obviously needs to improve his hit tool a lot, but he might just be a legitimate lead-off hitter on a contending team. I think Boz is the perfect hitting coach for him. Let's see how it goes in Surprise.
Hate Borbon? No. But he's essentially a two tool player. Every team has this type of player on their roster (Ellsbury, Gardner, Felix Pie, etc..) in some fashion. If Borbon could make the progress with his batting eye that Andrus did in 2010 you may have something. But until that happens he's just a fast guy with a .310-.320 OBP.
I assume those desirous of a CF platoon between Gentry and Borbon also want to trade David Murphy?
Damn, David needs playing time. Is he just going to be riding the bench once again? With consistent at bats I really like his offensive potential and I think he would be an everyday guy on a lot of teams. How do we get him in the lineup? I think he could bat at DH when MY plays the field if we don't bring in Thome but I want Thome too.
I actually like the idea of Gentry as the 25th man because of his speed and CF platoon possibilities, and I also think he could potentially be decent at the plate? Is that right?
What sayest thou?
We agree on wanting to see on either Gentry or Davis as the 25th guy. Davis needs to show he can harness some of his potential, and Gentry provides us with stellar speed and defense. I know that Davis is unpopular but I still hold out hope that he can be a good major league player. His D at first is probably already top 5 in the game. If he can hit .250 the guy has the talent to hit 25 or more HRs.
The big question this year is whether or not Thad Bosley can get Borbon to hit the ball past the infield. What happened to him? When he came up, he hit pretty well. Then last year, he struggled even to get a bunt down. I agree with other observers: his speed is worthless if he can't get on base. However, to his credit, Borbon has the best UZR on the team. He gets to balls that most center fielders would only wave at. He needs to work on hitting the cut-off man and reading the ball off the bat. If he can't do this and if he can't hit better, the whole move of Josh to left field will bomb. Wash should not hesitate to sit Borbon and play Murph if Borbon doesn't come out of the gate hitting.
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