.... it appears Greinke is going to be available this offseason after all. Whether or not Cliff comes back, I want to see the Rangers at the very front of the line to try and swing that deal.

I would start talks with Julio Borbon, Chris Davis, and Tanner Scheppers.

I agree. I think those 3 could be of worth to KC, so that type of deal certainly could get it done, of course 1 or 2 more high risk-high reward type prospect would probably be needed, not sure who that would be but I'm sure this deal is possible

How about we sign Leesus, THEN trade for Grienke?

Hey, if this season can happen, i'll buy anything.

Borbon/Davis/Scheppers/Hunter/Erlin/Sardinas?

Dutch would be another cat I'd be very open to including in a Greinke deal IF a long-term contract could be worked out before the trade was consumated.

Why is it that all trade proposals include dreck that we want to get rid of (ie, Davis, Borbon)? The Royals aren't looking for our dreck, and quantity does not equal quality.

In the case of Davis in particular, they have two much better prospects at third base and first base already (Moustakas and Hosmer), plus at first base they have Butler and Ka'aihue already ahead of Hosmer as it is.

Let's be smart, people.

The first player the Royals demand is Perez... Borbon, Davis, Hunter, etc. are nothing but throw ins to complete a deal. Royals will want Perez, Beltre, Scheppers, and then maybe Borbon on top.

Though it might be the price, I wouldn't deal Perez, Beltre and Scheppers for Grienke. I think that is too much talent to give up.

Greinke had a down year. Starting with Scheppers should be enough without Perez. Borbon is not considered dreck around the league. Davis maybe, although he seems to have good potential for a Nellie-like rebound with a fresh start. Remember what we managed to get for a "dreck" Salty? Hunter is a young, cheap, controlable back-of-the-rotation starter. There's considerable value to that for a cash strapped club like KC. I truly believe that one premier prospect (Scheppers), a second-tier prospect (Sardinas), a couple of good third-tier prospects (say, Erlin and Matt Thompson or Omar Beltre), and mixed bag of filler (Hunter, Strop, and Max Ramirez, for example) could get the Royals to pull the trigger.

If I'm wrong, I think two of three between Scheppers, Holland, and Engel Beltre plus 3 or 4 other guys gets it done for sure.

He may have had a down year, but that doesn't make him a guy you can buy low on. The Royals aren't going to sell low. it's not like they HAVE to trade him. They can well afford the contract.

We had to give up our #1 prospect for a half season of Cliff Lee. No way the Royals will take less for two years of Zack Greinke. Dream on.

No the Royals won't take a lesser package than what it took to get Cliff Lee. And no, they won't require Perez, Scheppers, and Beltre plus Borbon. That's ridiculous. That's arguably 3 top 100 prospects plus a speedy, contact outfielder with major league experience. That's potentially more than we got for Teixiera. The Royals would have to add DeJesus and Soria for the Rangers to think about that.

You probably have to start with Perez or Scheppers, whoever the Royals prefer. Then maybe a starter with major league experience (Hunter or Holland). They might ask for Beltre, in which case we can try to get them to take Borbon instead. I think Perez, Holland, Borbon and Moreland/Davis might be enough to get him, or just Perez Hunter and Beltre.

Just look at what the market has been recently. In the last couple of years we've seen Lee traded 3 times, plus Halliday, plus Oswalt. None of those 5 packages required multiple super-premium prospects. I certainly think you could make a deal drawing the line at Scheppers and not Perez. Scheppers, Borbon, Sardinas, Hunter, Erlin, Max Ramirez, and Omar Beltre is in the neighborhood of what it would take. Maybe a little more, but not a ton more.

Don't understand the fascination with such a mentally fragile pitcher that the Royals WILL NOT trade at least until the trade deadline next year and probably not until 2012. If they did they would destroy the fan base they have.

Greinke? Huh? We already took a chance on one guy with tremendous anxiety and that failed.

Plus I don't like him as a pitcher anyway but if I had to give them one guy for him it would be Chris Davis.

The "I don't like him as a pitcher" line is utterly hilarious. If Dayton Moore calls and says he wants Scheppers + Font + Sardinas + Davis + Ross, I say no with no hesitation at all.

Should read, "I say yes" obviously

They want young High A AA prospects. They want them to be able to play in 2012-2013. The Kid short stop in A ball for example. The Yankees will go hard after him after Lee stays in TX. His salary plus what we will have to pay all our players by then is not a good idea. Best plan is to make the Yankees over paty over fear of losing another front line pitcher to us.